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May 15th, 2018, 08:36 AM | #3631 |
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The UK planning for trade facilitation with no plans for anything along the Border. Various forms of declaration might be primarily electronic, with anything requiring inspection being signaled for inspection somewhere in general proximity to the Border, but not on the Border. Mr. Niall Cody (Irish Customs): “In 2016, 6% of import declarations were checked and less than 2% were physically checked. The vast majority of these checks were carried out in approved warehouses and other premises with a very small number at a port or airport. The low level of import checks is the result of pre-authorisation of traders, advance lodgement of declarations and an extensive system of post-clearance checks, including customs audit, which are carried out at traders' premises.” https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates.../2017-05-25/3/. Easily 90% plus (probably more than 98%) of our cross border trade can be dealt with by technology and practices that are used elsewhere in the world (the US-Canada border for example), any major smuggling operations will be picked up after the event and the minor stuff will be less than a pinprick. It will be hugely beneficial to have a bilateral border process in operation, as is the case in the Norway/Sweden border, and as described in the “Smart Border 2.0” report for the European Parliament by customs specialist Lars Karlsson. A bilateral border arrangement can be agreed as part of an FTA, or even in the absence of a full FTA, under an exemption for frontier traffic under the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT). Article 24 of the WTO's General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade says that if you are in a negotiation for a free trade agreement you can maintain your existing standards for ten years under WTO rules. So we have ten years from the moment in which we leave the European Union to negotiate a FTA with the EU which would mean we could carry on with our zero tariffs. As to Irish farmers or anyone else, they can continue crossing the border.Neither Ireland nor Uk are in the Schengen agreement, so they need passports to enter. Indeed we will welcome tourists from the EU. The free movement refers to living and working in the UK. Any EU citizen applying for employment, accommodation or benefits would need correct paperwork. And the way to do that is via residence and employment control, not via border checks. |
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Presumably this is why we are hearing about trusted trader schemes, Max-Fac and so on. Perhaps we might have profited by having discussions internally in HM Government about what should be the strategy for post-Brexit relations somewhat sooner than this. One can't help thinking that we should have finished talking inside Britain by May 2018 and already have prepared our position for the June 2018 round of Brexit negotiations. Judging by the undisciplined histrionics from the likes of Boris Johnson the delay was for Tory Party micro-political reasons rather than being anything to do with serving the national interest ahead of party. Theresa May and her cabinet are to statesmanship what Liberace was to shipbuilding.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli..._peace_process So you can bet any facility used for customs checks, even if it's 10 or 20 miles away from the border, will be targeted by the Republicans. Quote:
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There is a physical border between the US and Canada, with customs posts, gates, armed guards and ID checks: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wind...rder-1.4568069 This BBC story clearly mentions checkpoints, immigration controls and lorries that are stopped at the border (a Labour MP even claims that it's "more bureaucratic than Dover because each truck has to declare 26 different data elements for 40 different US agencies".): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43302493 Same problem with the Sweden-Norway border. There is no seamless trade: lorries need 3 to 9 minutes to clear the customs checks: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...says-1.3433722 This story in The Economist also mention border controls and European drivers queuing to have their papers checked: https://www.economist.com/britain/20...ate-in-ireland Quote:
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Mr Jacques, I have made some statements which I think you have misinterpreted, but I am not going to enter any arguments on here just give my thoughts.
Some of the advantages I have seen from remainers for staying in the EU: No visa requirement or border restrictions for holidays or business travels to EU countries, no roaming charges for mobile phones, no restriction on watching Netflix in EU countries. I can add a few more: No more worrying about having to change money at EU borders because we will be forced into the Euro (and Schengen), no more worrying about defence budgets because it will be taken over by PESCO, no worries about higher wages when we can encourage cheap workers from Albania and other countries and our "quota" of immigrants not to mention free movement when German-based "refugees" are given citizenship, no worry about calculating rebate...there isn't going to be any, getting the economy moving by increasing inflation with an increase in Corporation Tax by 3% which goes to the EU and reducing the amount of tariffs that countries can keep by increasing the EU take to 90%. The Eu budget is set to be €1.279 trillion for 2021 to 2027 up from €864.3 billion for the period 2007–2013.The figure amounts to 1.11% of the EU27’s gross national income (GNI), a significant rise compared to the previous budget cap at 1.03% of the GNI In 2016, the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £19 billion per annum.The UK currently provides approximately 12% of the resources available to the EU budget.If the UK were to stay in the EU the UK's contribution to the EU budget could be expected to be a lot higher than £19 billion pa. |
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https://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog...ext-eu-budget/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-3bn-1.3486204 https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gover...get/2017-10-31 |
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The EU has launched legal proceedings against the British Government for repeatedly breaking the bloc’s tight air pollution rules.
EU judges in Luxembourg will be able to hit Britain with huge fines under the bloc’s “infringement proceedings”. The EU's ruling's will continue after brexit.Barnier said in order for a trade deal to be signed Britain would have to continue to comply with the EU’s environmental regulations. He said there could be no reduction in environmental standards after Brexit as Britain could otherwise seek a “competitive advantage” over its neighbours. Barnier added a “non-regression clause” must be included in the EU’s agreement on the future relationship with the UK to guard against a softening of rules. Some thoughts: Wonder how much of this pollution is due to the German car industry lying about emissions. If proven could the UK lay a claim against Germany for damages? Do they insist that every third party they have trade deals with must also abide by EU emissions regulations to reduce competitive advantage? If not, why not? One point to note we have millions of EU citizens living in the UK and they add to the pollution levels. Do we get “pollution credits” from the countries they have come from? Can we pro rata any fines to these countries as their citizens are contributing? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8355711.html https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/assets/d...nd-summary.pdf Last edited by judy84; May 17th, 2018 at 03:21 PM.. |
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The reality is that May can't do a thing until we have a legal framework in place as set out in the Withdrawal bill. The minute this goes through all May's options fall into place. The treacherous, unelected Lords are doing their utmost to poison the entire Brexit process. They're aided and abetted by self-serving Remainer MPs, a Labour party willing to sacrifice anything to gain power, and an obstructive civil service wedded to EU ideology. |
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I find the May administration ideologically disgraceful with its grammar schools fixation and "consultations" over the dementia tax when the Dilnot Report is now seven years old and offers fair and reasonable solutions. But they face problems which the Labour Party would have to face as well if it was in government. The fault lines over Brexit are internal, not external. Whatever Mrs May decides will be unacceptable to a significant cohort of her own MPs and, if she gets legislation carried in the House of Commons it will almost certainly be because some Labour MPs will support it whether their party allows them to or not. Most Labour MPs are Remainers but there are quite a few who aren't. Seven of them defied the authority of their party and voted for the EU withdrawal bill last year, and others abstained.
Mr Corbyn would be in a worse bind if he were in office and trying to implement his manifesto promise to respect the referendum vote. He has the New Labour faction to deal with, 47 of whom voted against the Article 50 bill, showing their own determination not to respect the referendum vote. When you are really struggling to marshal support inside your own party, it becomes harder than ever to confront divisive issues. Britain's negotiating position on the Customs Union and the Single Market are just such issues. When she called the 2017 General Election I imagine Mrs May was expecting to win a majority big enough to keep her party rebels, both Leavers and Remainers in their place. But she ran a bloody awful campaign, was woeful on television and in the media and proposed a crypto-fascist barking mad right wing equivalent of the hardline socialist 1983 Labour suicide note manifesto, right down to wanting to bring back hunting foxes with hounds. One way or another this country will leave the EU and this in the end will safeguard our sovereignty and our rights as a nation. It will lead to economic disruption though and it is the job of the UK government to manage the process efficiently and avoid unnecessary refinements of torture. Bickering now over matters we should have agreed internally last year will not help us next month when Mr Davies meets Mr Barnier again. The European Commission watches our moves.
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