Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by palo5

I know, but they're not much use, unless you have good people inside them

Fortunately, we did. That's why the war was won

Don't forget all the stuff we gave you under Lend-Lease. Like 11 billion worth, in 1940s dollars.

And you were supposed to pay us back, but didn't. Hey, you owe us for 200,000 Jeeps, 10,000 railroad cars, and 2 million cases of Spam.

Just kidding. Since the USSR bore the brunt of the casualties taking out Hitler, we're good.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Do you still need internal passports to travel from place to place, if you are going very far?

It would be great that we institutionalise that in our Occidental countries. Mass tourism is a real cancer on this planet.
Too many waste of gazoline with internal and external airplane transportations.
Too many hostels, secondary houses. A cancer.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I couldn't imagine living like that. Here in the USA, you want to go to California, or New York, or Bumfuck, Mississippi, you just take a peek at your atlas, paper or digital, hop into your car and go. No one will stop you.

Believe me. You could.

I personnaly see worst things in Russian communism.
I read a book of two French communists who went to Russia in the 70's.
They were very shocked by the fact, that women had to spend hours everyday to buy bread, clothes or other things, because there were huge queue to follow. That's not normal. That's exagerate.

If I think that we must have maybe... 3 types of cellphones, cars or computers and we need to repair them instead to throw them because it's not more the fashion.
But waiting hours to buy your own meal... I really don't understand why.
That's why this kind of communism could never be popular.

In another way to restrict a little bit the quantity would be not that bad.
When I see all the young teenagers and people of 40 years old and more who are soooo faaaattt.
That's not normal. It was not like that in my country only 30 years ago.
I don't speak about the few reports I've seen from the flood in Texas.
Damned, there were fat people and children on ALL the pictures. Not everybody for sure, but far too many. Even worse that what I'm used to see in Europe.
But I also read that in California or in New York people are more fit.
Don't believe that I want to make a process against ALL America.

So... rationalizing a little bit the food would be not that bad. Don't you think?

[bloke57]

There are inherent flaws in all governmental and economic systems.

Whatever communism/socialism/capitalism have or have not succeeded in achieving, I think that one thing is certain - that none will be suitable for the coming age and it will be necessary for the younger generation to find a new model that is fit for them.

I say this in the light of the rise of A.I. and robotics. The old model of a few owning the means of production and the rest of us selling our labour will be unsustainable and we will need a new method of re-distributing wealth as jobs disappear to technology.

Already we see the rewards to the owners/bosses outstripping those of others to a ridiculous and, some would say, immoral degree. Capitalism is bound to come into crisis sooner or later. Things will have to change at some point and it may not be pretty.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

It would be great that we institutionalise that in our Occidental countries. Mass tourism is a real cancer on this planet.
Too many waste of gazoline with internal and external airplane transportations.
Too many hostels, secondary houses. A cancer.

I just called up US Immigration and Customs and reported you and your latest post. You are now an "undesirable alien" and won't be travelling to the USA anytime soon. There's one less tourist that will be making ecological "cancer". It's a start.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

In another way to restrict a little bit the quantity would be not that bad.
When I see all the young teenagers and people of 40 years old and more who are soooo faaaattt.
That's not normal. It was not like that in my country only 30 years ago.
I don't speak about the few reports I've seen from the flood in Texas.
Damned, there were fat people and children on ALL the pictures. Not everybody for sure, but far too many. Even worse that what I'm used to see in Europe.
But I also read that in California or in New York people are more fit.
Don't believe that I want to make a process against ALL America.

So... rationalizing a little bit the food would be not that bad. Don't you think?

You want to control what and how much people eat? Why? For their own good? You don't get to decide that. I live in the country that has the greatest abundance of food in the world, and I am not fat. I pity the slobs that can't rein in their appetites, but I am not willing to give up my "food freedoms" so that a bunch of stupid gluttons can live a little longer.

You'd make a good communist. You certainly have the mindset.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

In another way to restrict a little bit the quantity would be not that bad.
When I see all the young teenagers and people of 40 years old and more who are soooo faaaattt.
That's not normal. It was not like that in my country only 30 years ago.
I don't speak about the few reports I've seen from the flood in Texas.
Damned, there were fat people and children on ALL the pictures. Not everybody for sure, but far too many. Even worse that what I'm used to see in Europe.
But I also read that in California or in New York people are more fit.
Don't believe that I want to make a process against ALL America.

So... rationalizing a little bit the food would be not that bad. Don't you think?

The fat Americans you see is a sign of property, not gluttony for the most part. Alot of America especially the poorer areas lack access to actual food and what they actually survive on is the highly processed foodstuffs that is soo unhealthy. Also at the same time because the ingredients are cheaper and in some cases subsidized the poor can only afford the processed food diet that really has not fully been discussed for effects on the body, when we see these fatter and fatter people everybody tends to blame their self control totally ignoring the things being introduced to their food supply.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

The fat Americans you see is a sign of property, not gluttony for the most part. Alot of America especially the poorer areas lack access to actual food and what they actually survive on is the highly processed foodstuffs that is soo unhealthy. Also at the same time because the ingredients are cheaper and in some cases subsidized the poor can only afford the processed food diet that really has not fully been discussed for effects on the body, when we see these fatter and fatter people everybody tends to blame their self control totally ignoring the things being introduced to their food supply.

So in a communist USA, there wouldn't be anymore poor people and everybody would access to good and healthy food. Isn't it?
Your Communist Senate would not allow these bad products.
Free market, free access, free poverty must be stop. Or am I that wrong?

Apart in Occidental Capitalist countries, poor people are not obese, they are super thin.
What is cheaper? A liter of mineral water or a liter of SuperCocaSugar?

One day I listened at a Radio station a doctor who explained that fat people produce a protein that send a message to the brain that they are still hungry. So they eat more and they produce more this horrible protein and it becomes a vicious circle.
Obesity is in fact a mental illness.

In Europe there are more and more young people who are fat too. That's a "cancer" that is brought by multinational like Nestle, McDonald and Coca Cola...
Brought by a society of consumerism and greed.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

You want to control what and how much people eat? Why? For their own good? You don't get to decide that. I live in the country that has the greatest abundance of food in the world, and I am not fat. I pity the slobs that can't rein in their appetites, but I am not willing to give up my "food freedoms" so that a bunch of stupid gluttons can live a little longer.

You'd make a good communist. You certainly have the mindset.

Yep. I think it would be good to control that.
Like our state controls the speed on the road, at which distance you can build your house from the street, the hours when you can play loud music and hours when you have to let your neighbors sleep, etc...

There are tons of laws that are written to improve our societies.
So why not anti-consumerism laws and good diet laws? What is bad about that?


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[brk549]

With the trouble they had trying to control alcohol just imagine what they would run into trying to control food.That's getting ridiculous.Those poor fat people are eating the same food the rest of us are eating,that's also ridiculous.Eating so much that you have to waddle instead of walk is the same as getting up every morning and going to work or just laying there because you don't want to.It's called having control of your life or not giving a shit and saying the hell with it,let someone else do it.There are very few that are fat because they can't help it.It's also ridiculous to think the gov. or anyone else can control people's minds.You start trying to drag people away from the table when they think their still hungry and there's still food there your going to have one hell of a problem.We've already found out they can't make them go to work if they don't want to.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

when we see these fatter and fatter people everybody tends to blame their self control totally ignoring the things being introduced to their food supply.

Originally Posted by brk549

Those poor fat people are eating the same food the rest of us are eating,that's also ridiculous.Eating so much that you have to waddle instead of walk is the same as getting up every morning and going to work or just laying there because you don't want to.It's called having control of your life or not giving a shit and saying the hell with it

Umm yeah

But back to the topic sometimes I feel too much emphasis is put on systems and not enough focus put on execution. You can have the best system but it is not run properly then failure is assured.

[Brecht]

I went to the Volksstimmefest last Saturday. It's been organized by the Communist Party of Austria since 1946. Lots of music, sports, food, debates etc. They have great book markets, too. Got myself these:



All of them released by the Dietz Verlag in East Germany.

Karl Marx/Friedrich Engels - The Holy Family

Friedrich Engels - The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State

Karl Marx - The Civil War in France

Friedrich Engels - Anti-Dühring

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

Umm yeah

But back to the topic sometimes I feel too much emphasis is put on systems and not enough focus put on execution. You can have the best system but it is not run properly then failure is assured.

That's true.
That's an observation written by a now dead genetician "Albert Jacquard", who blamed the US and the Occidental world not having made business with Fidel Castro.
He wrote that Cuba could have been a great living laboratory to watch.

Why this unfair embargo? Why not doing a fair business with Communist countries?
That seems to be a logical question.

Coming back on the remark:

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I live in the country that has the greatest abundance of food in the world, and I am not fat. I pity the slobs that can't rein in their appetites, but I am not willing to give up my "food freedoms" so that a bunch of stupid gluttons can live a little longer.

I don't know why you would be not free to eat what you want... if you are not fat.
You prove by yourself that you are probably able to select good and healthy food.

Look at my "Communist" proposition.
If people are fat, these people have to go to the administration office and they give to the fat people a card in which they get a limit of what they can buy to eat. (Like a debit card for your money) When the fat person goes to the shop, he gives his card to the cashier or a machine and he knows which type or quantity of food he can afford to buy.
That's an example... for sure it could be improved.

Do you imagine how much energy (doctors, pills and other problems) cost the fat people to the society ?
Instead to make a business on their back, why don't we directly manage that in the roots?

Healthy food and regulated quantities in case of problems. What is wrong about this?

Originally Posted by Brecht

I went to the Volksstimmefest last Saturday. It's been organized by the Communist Party of Austria since 1946. Lots of music, sports, food, debates etc.

That's not possible. According to the Liberalism propaganda, Communists don't know how to have fun.