Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

I live ion a real world, not one of make believe, I don't listen to theories, only actual facts and experiences, anything else is bullshit.

Yep nice.

So let think that you are the master of the world "Estreeter the Great" with a lot of children and grandchildren. How would you solve overpopulation, greed and energy wasting, that are the main concerns of Marxists?

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

How would you solve overpopulation, greed and energy wasting, that are the main concerns of Marxists?

I'd just get rid of Marxists ..... problem solved

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

How would you solve overpopulation, greed and energy wasting, that are the main concerns of Marxists?

Simply, I wouldn't, never claimed I could,
For the record also, greed is bad, but greed also built a lot,

Greedy corrupt bankers and overly massive bonuses would be, well, you don't want to know hat I'd do, but it would involve anal sex in a cell for the easy part.

Please, don't bullshit me with this energy wasting as a concern for Marxists ..... You believe that you've been sucked in hook line and sinker by those on the far left to harm energy companies. That's what I mean by using your blind faith in believing what they want you to believe, Like I said, I don't use blind faith but stand back and look at a bigger picture.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

You forget an historical event: "Subprime crisis".
Since that day, Marxism, Christianism, Buddhism will get an indestructible anchor for the eternity: When the Capitalism collapsed.

Nah, that's just silly. Markets rise and fall. Companies go bust. They should go bust from time to time.

That's not some defect, that's normal. Markets have always had bubbles and crashes, that's to be expected.

Compare South Korea -- with a very active market, which had a bubble and a severe crash in 1998 -- to its neighbor North Korea, which bans any kind of market, private commerce or indeed private property.

South Korea is rich and fat. North Korea is poor and starving.

So, no, a crash or a recession isn't some indictment of capitalism.

Markets are the sum of business activity of millions of people, making the transactions they please for the reasons they choose. Crowds can panic, can make mistakes.

But the alternative to letting people choose their own transactions and the prices at which they should transact them is to have some planner sitting in Pyongyang telling every single person where they must work, what they must do, and the price at which they must buy and sell.

And markets went right on doing business after the Financial Crisis, both in South Korea '98 and in the world 2007-9.

Its striking that places like China, which has a communist history, but is now a market economy; they didn't try to "bring back Mao" in the Crisis. They just worked to stabilize their own economy, and kept on growing, with massive financial markets -- now second in size only to the US

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

Nah, that's just silly. Markets rise and fall. Companies go bust. They should go bust from time to time.

That's not some defect, that's normal. Markets have always had bubbles and crashes, that's to be expected.
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And markets went right on doing business after the Financial Crisis, both in South Korea '98 and in the world 2007-9.

Its striking that places like China, which has a communist history, but is now a market economy; they didn't try to "bring back Mao" in the Crisis. They just worked to stabilize their own economy, and kept on growing, with massive financial markets -- now second in size only to the US

I'd like to know how can we trust US banknotes ?
They only are banknotes, but thanks to them, US pension funds ruin and put under slavery millions of people outside America (and even in America).

In 2008 US banks collapsed and the international bancary system had to request the help of the states.
Because of a weak Obama and Democrats, the markets has stolen the citizen twice and still steal them.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

I'd like to know how can we trust US banknotes ?
They only are banknotes, but thank to them, US pension funds ruin and put under slavery millions of people outside America.

I’m not sure what that’s supposed to mean.

People use whatever money they please.

You don’t want to use $US?

Feel free to use whatever currency someone else will accept.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

I’m not sure what that’s supposed to mean.

People use whatever money they please.

You don’t want to use $US?

Feel free to use whatever currency someone else will accept.

That's my question. I still don't know why non-American enterprises accept US pension funds money.
They accept their money and a few years later, the enterprises are closed, relocated and the workers become unemployed.

There are hundreds of cases like that in Europe.
It's seems that when owners see all this fake money coming, they are glad to receive the jackpot and don't care what will happen later to their enterprises and workers. Even if there are hundreds of cases that proved in the past that American pension funds are nothing else as raptors and today European pension funds are the same shit. They exploit the youth. They try to get interests by all the way.

That's probably one more time a demonstration of pure greed.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

That's my question. I still don't know why non-American enterprises accept US pension funds money.
They accept their money and a few years later, the enterprises are closed, relocated and the workers become unemployed.

There are hundreds of cases like that in Europe.
It's seems that when owners see all this fake money coming, they are glad to receive the jackpot and don't care what will happen later to their enterprises and workers. Even if there are hundreds of cases that proved in the past that American pension funds are nothing else as raptors and today European pension funds are the same shit. They exploit the youth. They try to get interests by all the way.

That's probably one more time a demonstration of pure greed.

I'm not sure what any of this is supposed to be about. Businesses open and close, that's life. They seek investment domestically and sometimes internationally. Very few US pension funds would have direct investments in Europe (the largest fund investors in Europe are no surprise, European funds -- the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund is huge, for example)

At the moment, here in the US, the unemployment rate is roughly %3 with little inflation. If you've got a trade, you've got a job if you want it.

You might try to think about specifics, rather than anecdotes or vague emotions.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by deepsepia

I'm not sure what any of this is supposed to be about. Businesses open and close, that's life.
You might try to think about specifics, rather than anecdotes or vague emotions.

They are not anecdotes.
Why US pensions funds of... teachers, firemen or owning an enterprise in the same kind of business, buy actions of a French company of suitcases or tissues and the managers of the pension funds ask to relocate the enterprise to China and sold it to a Chinese businessman, when the companies worked very well until the managers of pension funds bought actions and only wanted more dividends.

That's a predatory system.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

They are not anecdotes.
Why US pensions funds of... teachers, firemen or owning an enterprise in the same kind of business, buy actions of a French company of suitcases or tissues and the managers of the pension funds ask to relocate the enterprise to China and sold it to a Chinese businessman, when the companies worked very well until the managers of pension funds bought actions and only wanted more dividends.

That's a predatory system.

That's an anecdote. The US is not particularly large investor in France, and France has all sorts of problems with manufacturing. Manufacturing has moved all around the world-- France has huge exports to China, but of the things that France is good at-- making suitcases cheaply probably isn't one of them

Bear in mind that Chinese tourists use those suitcases to pack their clothes and visit France-- tourism is one of France's biggest earners, and a low pollution highly profitable industry. Would you rather
a) make suitcases
or
b) have paying guests at your hotels and museums?

France has the better of the deal there.

To see which nations invest in France:


https://en.portal.santandertrade.com...ign-investment