Newtown - Is it Really Time for a Change?

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by vannax

Oh, and tell me of all the KKK riots burning and looting, like the BLM domestic terrorists did in Baltimore, etc.

When did #BLM do that? See how easy it is to put a lone wolf with a group when it suit purposes?

[sandhunter]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

When did #BLM do that? See how easy it is to put a lone wolf with a group when it suit purposes?

What are you trying to rewrite history , BLM has been at every riot and protest in the last year , I don't need a link as everyone in the world knows what's going on .

[diamelsx]

No at all. #BLM has been in events that have got out of hand, but that is not them. You have other groups and others that tag along. The people within the organization are just that,organized. They are not there to loot and riot, for that goes against their mission. It is the hangers-on that is causing the issues. Look at Dallas for example, the sniper had tried to join, and was rejected by the civil rights groups before he went on the rampage that he did. Doh'the worry about the group, worry about the individuals that surround the group.

Originally Posted by sandhunter

What are you trying to rewrite history , BLM has been at every riot and protest in the last year , I don't need a link as everyone in the world knows what's going on .

[profvolup]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

Ha! This Breitbart, is it anything like "The Omiom"?

Not any more than MSNBC or Huffington. Seriously.

Where have all the critically thinking liberals gone? Seriously. This country used to be based on critically thinking liberals. But they've been silenced. They've been thrown to the wolves. Heck, they've even been called 'right wingers.'

Juan Williams knows this all too well.

I'm infrequent colleagues with someone who worked on an investigative team for a major news outlet. Our paths crossed several years back during an emergency. During the Duke LaCrosse thing, because she wouldn't side with the left-wing, she nearly had her career destroyed. Why? She was an African-American, and I could not believe the shit she went through.

Trust me, African-Americans feel the pressure too, and in ways we white Americans never experience. When they don't 'fall in line' with what the left wants to push, it can be the end of their careers. It's far worse than the simple movies like Bonfire of the Vanities, it's total expulsion.

It's what the 'progressives' have done to the TV. It's why Trump exists. Without them, there could be no Trump. If they would stop it, then Trump would never exist. Because half of the country cannot all be racist. Just like the half of the UK that voted Brexit were not racists either. Or the 30%+ right-wing are all Nazis in Germany. They just all got labelled that way, so they all agreed that it was bullshit, so they fought the labelling party.

Originally Posted by vannax

Breitbart is more reliable than the BBC, or the Guardian, or Salon or Slate.

A lot of media outlets have a slant, okay?

Yes, Breibart and Fox News are sometimes the only ones to actually release a story that the mainstream media would not.

One of Fox News' first, major scoops, which everyone downplayed, was the Oil for Food scandal, which was much bigger than people realized, involved major players in not just the UN -- but for those of us who actually got into the UN's own reports -- major US businesses taking advantage of it (including ties to both Democratic Clinton and Republican Congressmen).

That's why right-wing media is just as necessary as left-wing media, to actually report what the others will not.

Like, just recently, the US Marine veteran who got beat up by 3, self-proclaimed #BLM supporters at a McDonalds. He was working in DC, even having prior run (and lost, on the Democratic ticket no less) for a seat in California, and actually representing groups like #BLM. None and I mean none of the networks picked it up, not even CNN and definitely not MSNBC. They still didn't even when the McDonald's CCTV footage was released. And still not even when both the USMC and the DC Metro Police were actively trying to track down the people sucker punched him, and then kicked him on the ground, although finally the Washington Post came around, and then the local DC affiliate of CBS or NBC (cannot remember which one). No one else, not even the local channels of the other, major networks. They likely had their 'political' orders not to report it, not even at the request of the USMC.

So ... I'm the first to point out to alleged 'progressives' that they're just as guilty of inciting racist, sexist and 'selective news' as what they claim the right is doing, and they're only getting worse. But ...

The 'reliable' argument is one of slant. It's always one of slant. There are things that Breibart and Fox News don't publish too, that only the left do. So it goes both ways.

Originally Posted by vannax

Oh, and tell me of all the KKK riots burning and looting

The KKK primary stopped actively operating with their prior, unashamed, public impunity by the '60s as the FBI started to prosecute them under 'civil rights' charges, and couldn't hide behind local and state law enforcement, as it was a federal right upheld by the federal courts. The few things that are done today by the KKK are silent and difficult to track, and not out in the open ... other than parading, often anonymous, which even the ACLU will defend their right to do in the US.

Besides, in every riot, there are plenty of non-blacks looting too. The Rodney King fiasco was the perfect example.

Originally Posted by vannax

like the BLM domestic terrorists did in Baltimore, etc.

Baltimore has a lot of stupid, irresponsible, inner city residents, yes. Chicago is more of the same. And don't get me started on New Orleans. I was in the middle of that, with people trying to prevent me from helping other people.

I saw law enforcement nearly make the mistake of trying to disarm local, private militias, and that almost turned into a blood bath. The private militias were actually protecting people, because the police could not, but some motherfucker politician made it an issue. This included for federal operations, because FEMA was useless (always have been, always will be), and the US Coast Guard -- by law -- could not operate on-land.

The US Navy fucking almost got in the middle of that themselves. It was that fucking bad, government showcasing just how fucked up they can be, preventing people from helping others.

So all people can be stupid. And politicians can be far worse. New Orleans was the perfect example, and I hope none of you will ever have to go through what I saw some people go through. Women raped. People killed. All because local law enforcement was useless in the situation.

So watching some people destroy their local communities is just more of the same to me. But what can you do but laugh at them ... then cry for them, let alone their neighbors who are responsible. People will do what they want, and hurt their own communities.

Originally Posted by vannax

Prevarication and misdirection don't win arguments. Facts do.

Absolutes don't win arguments either. The left and right in the US are destroying their country, my country, with their absolutes and labels. No fucking civil right will survive.

The left is so obsessed with guns that they have pushed the absolute worst civil rights attitude I've ever seen with the federal watch lists. If you've ever met anyone who's gotten on one, there are many, and doesn't know why, you have no fucking idea what they go through ... almost daily.

And the right is so obsessed with everything about a woman's body, they utterly forget that the government surely doesn't know fucking better for a woman than her own conscious does. The entire, male dominated history of humans is a testament to that.

You, the American voter, in your ignorance, in your media sheepist attitudes, have done this. Don't blame our leaders. You elected them. You bitched about W., then turned around and excused Obama when he did worse than W., just like others excused W. who did Clinton one worse before that.

You're so anti-, you don't realize what hypocrites you look like. You are the problem. The leadership just reflects what you excuse, and don't hold your own leaders accountable to. All out of the argument of 'lesser evil,' instead of 'American freedom, without prejudice."

[profvolup]

One more thing ...

It would help #BLM if they would stop yelling 'murder,' let alone claim 'first degree.' I respect the #BLM protesters who just say they 'want justice.' But when some push 'murder' and other things, and look really just jacked up on hate themselves, not merely frustration. It doesn't help their cause. That's why sticking to 'wanting justice' is best, and let the system show whether it works, or is broken.

They should actually push for 'manslaughter,' including 'first degree,' although more technically, 'misdemeanor manslaughter' often applies. The 'misdemeanor' in this case is not the degree of the killing, but the purpose someone was allegedly shot over (someone only committing a misdemeanor), while the killing itself is still a felony. Cops kill, sometimes quite wrongly kill, and it can be 'manslaughter.' It's rarely ever 'murder.' But it can be a felony manslaughter charge, especially even if the alleged criminal only committed a misdemeanor.

For those unfamiliar, the Wikipedia article for the manslaughter charges typical of US states, is not half-bad.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansla...ted_States_law)

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by profvolup

One more thing ...

It would help #BLM if they would stop yelling 'murder,' let alone claim 'first degree.' I respect the #BLM protesters who just say they 'want justice.' But when some push 'murder' and other things, and look really just jacked up on hate themselves, not merely frustration. It doesn't help their cause. That's why sticking to 'wanting justice' is best, and let the system show whether it works, or is broken.

They should actually push for 'manslaughter,' including 'first degree,' although more technically, 'misdemeanor manslaughter' often applies. The 'misdemeanor' in this case is not the degree of the killing, but the purpose someone was allegedly shot over (someone only committing a misdemeanor), while the killing itself is still a felony. Cops kill, sometimes quite wrongly kill, and it can be 'manslaughter.' It's rarely ever 'murder.' But it can be a felony manslaughter charge, especially even if the alleged criminal only committed a misdemeanor.

For those unfamiliar, the Wikipedia article for the manslaughter charges typical of US states, is not half-bad.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansla...ted_States_law)

Before I would agree with you the question must be asked, "Do you realize what all they are trying to do?"

[Decadence]

Originally Posted by sandhunter

BLM has been at every riot and protest in the last year , I don't need a link as everyone in the world knows what's going on .

Originally Posted by diamelsx

No at all. #BLM has been in events that have got out of hand, but that is not them. You have other groups and others that tag along. The people within the organization are just that,organized. They are not there to loot and riot, for that goes against their mission.

Originally Posted by profvolup

It would help #BLM if they would stop yelling 'murder,' let alone claim 'first degree.' I respect the #BLM protesters who just say they 'want justice.' But when some push 'murder' and other things, and look really just jacked up on hate themselves, not merely frustration. It doesn't help their cause. That's why sticking to 'wanting justice' is best, and let the system show whether it works, or is broken.

Regardless of how BLM started or whatever the initial intent of the group was, it's now long gone.

Back during the riots in Furguson, there was speculation by some that the movement had outside influences and outside support. It was just too organized to be a spontaneous protest against perceived police brutality. But those concerns were dismissed.. until

Last month, DCLeaks hacked the email of George Soros and related organizations. Turns out, his Open Society Foundation has given $650,000 directly to BLM as part of $33 million he gave to various "social justice" organizations. This revelation didn't garner much attention from the establishment media.

Last week, in Charlotte, a black cop shoots a black suspect who had a gun. No white people involved at all. All hell breaks loose-- arson, hijacking, assault & battery, looting, property destruction, the works. "Kill whitey" becomes the phrase of the day. After the National Guard moved in and finally started arresting rioters, it was learned that almost three-quarters of those arrested had out-of-state identification.

Another rent-a-mob. Why?

There's something sinister going on here. Who benefits from this kind of social unrest? Who benefits from endless racial tension. What's the end game? There has to be some sort of return on this kind of investment.

To me, it's stuff like this that has robbed the BLM of any credibility it may have had. But they've got momentum... our President welcomes their leadership at the White House and our Attorney General openly sympathizes with them. That, and political correctness have given them pretty much carte blanche to act however they wish with the assumption they won't face any real criticism or push-back. The mayor of Baltimore basically allowed the city to go up in flames. The first night of the Charlotte riots, 10 police officers were injured and there's only one arrest?

That, and continued selective outrage, continues to undermine the sincerity and legitimacy of BLM IMO. Black males continue to slaughter each other wholesale in the inner cities here.. to the tune of 8-9 thousand per year. The leading cause of death (over 90%) of black males aged 18-30 in America is other black males aged 18-30. Not disease. Not the war in Afghanistan. Not the police. I've yet to see any riots, protests, or any other public outrage over this loss of life.

Apparently, black lives matter only when it makes headlines or they can blame it on the police. Regardless of circumstances.

[TheBare]

'Kill the Krackers' versus 'Kill the Niggers'

I'm not as politically correct as you. And WTF are African Americans?? Are any of them even close to being African That's like me demanding to be called a Ukrainian-Canadian !! after only 4 generations of being Canadian What BS

[vannax]

Originally Posted by TheBare

'Kill the Krackers' versus 'Kill the Niggers'

I'm not as politically correct as you. And WTF are African Americans?? Are any of them even close to being African That's like me demanding to be called a Ukrainian-Canadian !! after only 4 generations of being Canadian What BS

I said "Kill the darkies", it was a mod who edited my post.

[vannax]

Originally Posted by Decadence

Regardless of how BLM started or whatever the initial intent of the group was, it's now long gone.

Back during the riots in Furguson, there was speculation by some that the movement had outside influences and outside support. It was just too organized to be a spontaneous protest against perceived police brutality. But those concerns were dismissed.. until

Last month, DCLeaks hacked the email of George Soros and related organizations. Turns out, his Open Society Foundation has given $650,000 directly to BLM as part of $33 million he gave to various "social justice" organizations. This revelation didn't garner much attention from the establishment media.

Last week, in Charlotte, a black cop shoots a black suspect who had a gun. No white people involved at all. All hell breaks loose-- arson, hijacking, assault & battery, looting, property destruction, the works. "Kill whitey" becomes the phrase of the day. After the National Guard moved in and finally started arresting rioters, it was learned that almost three-quarters of those arrested had out-of-state identification.

Another rent-a-mob. Why?

There's something sinister going on here. Who benefits from this kind of social unrest? Who benefits from endless racial tension. What's the end game? There has to be some sort of return on this kind of investment.

To me, it's stuff like this that has robbed the BLM of any credibility it may have had. But they've got momentum... our President welcomes their leadership at the White House and our Attorney General openly sympathizes with them. That, and political correctness have given them pretty much carte blanche to act however they wish with the assumption they won't face any real criticism or push-back. The mayor of Baltimore basically allowed the city to go up in flames. The first night of the Charlotte riots, 10 police officers were injured and there's only one arrest?

That, and continued selective outrage, continues to undermine the sincerity and legitimacy of BLM IMO. Black males continue to slaughter each other wholesale in the inner cities here.. to the tune of 8-9 thousand per year. The leading cause of death (over 90%) of black males aged 18-30 in America is other black males aged 18-30. Not disease. Not the war in Afghanistan. Not the police. I've yet to see any riots, protests, or any other public outrage over this loss of life.

Apparently, black lives matter only when it makes headlines or they can blame it on the police. Regardless of circumstances.

George Soros is worse than most James bond villains. I don't mean the washed-over sappy ones from the movies, either, I mean the real bad-asses in Ian Fleming's books from the 50's.
I wonder if any mods here are on his payroll?

As to who gains, well, that gets into Hobbs Vs Locke. A Lokean population doesn't need a big government to rule their lives, Lockean folk are very free-market and co-operatation minded folk. Hobbsians, on the other hand, live lives that are, and I quote from Hobbs' work "Nasty, brutish and short." Most folk think that humanity in general are Hobbsian, and use that as a pretext to justify huge government. Many folk think that Americans would somehow turn into Somalians without the feds.
At any rate, by promoting Hobbsian behavior, government can grow almost without limit. So, basically, importing millions of Muslims and promoting a race war is a tactic used by commies and totalitarians to justify imposing an ever-more intrusive police state, all "for the children."

For example, during the recent floods in Louisianan, the feds basically outlawed Lockean behavior by stopping private citizens from engaging in rescue work. That same dynamic has been seen all over the western world.
Roll on Armageddon.