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View Poll Results: Who will win the world cup?
Argentina are out. 1 0.76%
Belgium are out 22 16.79%
Brazil are out 11 8.40%
Columbia are out. 0 0%
Croatia 12 9.16%
Denmark are out 0 0%
England are out 17 12.98%
France 52 39.69%
Japan are out 0 0%
Mexico are out 3 2.29%
Portugal are out 1 0.76%
Russia are out 2 1.53%
Spain are out 1 0.76%
Sweden are out 0 0%
Switzerland are out 1 0.76%
Uruguay are out 8 6.11%
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:51 PM   #571
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It has been a curious tournament in which a lot of teams with serious pedigree have been cut down to size - for example Argentina and Brazil, Portugal and Spain. Russia did play with heart and spirit and deserved to progress to the last eight. England were a very young and green side but had passion and really wanted to be there - so often I have watched England players who would palpably prefer to be elsewhere and the lack of pride was terrible to see. These guys have shown the right spirit; good for them.
I agree. You know what I like most -- almost no egos!

Normally I watch about 10 seconds of sport per year, and I'm not kidding. I don't like the celebrity-love, talk about money, tears, relationships etc etc

But this WC has been different, and England have contributed much in that respect. For that reason, I'm glad you reached the high rank of "last four"

You have one more game to play, for third place. If the Belgians take it seriously, you will probably be skinned. But if they don't, and lady luck is still with you, who knows?
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Nope.... they started the second half in South American style.... racheting up the free kicks, risking and getting the Yellows.

THAT.... was in their locker.

Trips, shoving, time wasting... all the petty distractions for opponents.

Not anywhere near the level of some South American teams though.

This England team are a Planet Away from understanding and dealing with that cynicism ~ imo ~ naive
England got beat of of a good side and I don't have any complaints about Croatia. They IMHO played a tough but fair and honest game of football. This match was played in the right spirit; no prisoners taken, but no cheating either. In the end, Croatia were better than us; but not by much and not throughout the game, and England could easily have been the winners on another day. No recriminations and no self-pity. This has been the best England performance in a tournament for many, many years and I reckon England's "naivety" was a key strength; these players relished the occasion and rose to it in a way that much more fancied England teams never did or could.

Gerrard; Lampard; Ashley Cole (I mean, really?); Gary Neville...not one of these even in their prime would have added value to the present squad. They were triumphs of marketing and hype - not that any of them were bad players, but all of them were bad England players, because their character issues precluded unselfishness, an essential prerequisite when representing your country.
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3rd versus 4th play off on 14/7/2018

Why they keep this going is beyond me

Its not like a bronze medal at the Olympics is at stake

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3rd versus 4th play off on 14/7/2018

Why they keep this going is beyond me

Its not like a bronze medal at the Olympics is at stake

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It really does. Hope Kills.
I've been sickened to me bones by the hysterical hype, from the BBC downwards.... from getting out the Group... onwards.

Getting out the Group was when other teams recognised Harry Kane.

Ex-Sir Gareth, never adjusted the nuetralising of Harry, bonded his loyalty to his ex-youth players and ex-cluded changes for different teams.

One-Size-Fits-All....

Croatia truly deserved the win tonight. They may be knackered and exhausted, but the 2-8 years experience and skills, in every department, proved much too much for a flailing and still learning team.... AND... Manager.

Some England player's transfer values, shot up... now shot down as reality sets in.

Thing is.... as nice and dignified Ex-Sir Gareth has been...... would any RICH Top Six Prem Club offer him a multi-million contract ?

Obviously not... he's just a "bonding-bloke"... not a tactician... not ruthless.... and as at Boro.... not very perceptive.

There you go.... first turning worm....
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The sort of award most players will hand over to their granny as soon as they get home.
Yet curiously, bronze medal winners often look back on the contest more happily than silver medal winners / runners-up. The silver medal is ultimately the loser's medal, even though making it to a world cup final is pretty damned special, once you are there you want to be the winner, and being the loser is exquisitely bitter to taste. Even now, casual Germans who weren't even born in 1966 will bend my ear about Die Wembley Tor.

Even though it is the knockout match of the semi-final losers, a player has to positively win a bronze medal. It means you didn't come fourth - the worst of all places to achieve in a knockout competition.

I understand sports psychologists have written books about this little quirk of human nature.
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It really does. Hope Kills.
I've been sickened to me bones by the hysterical hype, from the BBC downwards.... from getting out the Group... onwards.

Getting out the Group was when other teams recognised Harry Kane.

Ex-Sir Gareth, never adjusted the nuetralising of Harry, bonded his loyalty to his ex-youth players and ex-cluded changes for different teams.

One-Size-Fits-All....

Croatia truly deserved the win tonight. They may be knackered and exhausted, but the 2-8 years experience and skills, in every department, proved much too much for a flailing and still learning team.... AND... Manager.

Some England player's transfer values, shot up... now shot down as reality sets in.

Thing is.... as nice and dignified Ex-Sir Gareth has been...... would any RICH Top Six Prem Club offer him a multi-million contract ?

Obviously not... he's just a "bonding-bloke"... not a tactician... not ruthless.... and as at Boro.... not very perceptive.

There you go.... first turning worm....
And yet, the standard professional approach was unsuccessful for many years. This non-tactician bonding bloke has achieved a damned sight more than the ruthless, perceptive tacticians (in their own imaginations). A very inexperienced side has way outplayed its form and gained more knowledge and more strength in three weeks than most professional players will gain in three years of top flight football.

If I were Gareth Southgate I would stay in the England job. I hope he does.
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There you go.... first turning worm....
Not on the same level as the two Ronnies, although they were funny.

I actually believe some on representative duty will have opened some eyes. England's problem was always going to be when it ran into a world class midfield and GS has missed the fact that Croatia's strength is in controlling that area of the pitch, something they did for the second forty five minutes to which we had no answer, the vast open spaces in the Croatian half must have been a concern as we had no link between defence and attack, it s something which needs to be addressed if we are to have any chance in future international events, or on Saturday
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Well done Croatia, you deserved the victory.

What is bugging me right now is the pundits and reporters saying that the England players should be proud of themselves for doing so well, would the Germans, Italians, Brazilians or Argentines be proud of losing in a semi-final?

With the Italians not qualifying, and the Argentines, Germans and Brazilians playing so badly this was a huge opportunity for the likes of England to win the World cup, the Europeans in two years time will be tough, the next World cup in Qatar will even tougher.

England, you blew it.

This seems worth a de-lurking after a long time.

I can't speak for any of the other nations you mentioned, however my country, Germany, has won four World Cups and three European Championships, with the last victory just four years ago. That's seven titles. England in comparison has won a single World Cup more than two generations ago. It's reasonable to presume that, given these records, and given the records of Brazil (five World Cups) and Italy (four World cups), our fans and pundits hold their team to a different standard and higher expectations than English fans do. This English team has performed way above expectations. It is now one of the four best teams in the world - and even beat the dreaded penalty curse. Who'd have thought that a month ago? That to me seems like a strong foundation to build on.

The third place Germany achieved in our home World Cup in 2006 is still held in high regard here, because after almost a decade of ugly, unsuccessful Rumpelfußball (rumple football), Jürgen Klinsmann cleaned house, threw out the old guard and built a young, aggressive team that played some watchable football again, even though our boys, much like the three lions under Gareth Southgate, came short in the semis by trying to run out the clock and head to the penalties instead of playing to win (like the Italians did back then, and like the Croatians did today). Germany hadn't earned that shot at the big trophy yet and England didn't earn it today.

It still took our team eight more years of hard work and constant improvement to finally win the World Cup. I believe Southgate did good work, but much like our boys back in 2006, the team yet lacks the experience to make that final step to greatness. If they're smart, they won't throw out that playbook, but continue to improve what has already worked remarkably well, given the limited experience of this team.



I for one hope they put in an effort Saturday - the Belgians certainly will.
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