Global Warming

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

He tried in a way, that may be a bit clumsy, to counter the Republicans who say: "God loves us, let us do everything we want, He it will protect us from pollution, destruction of ecosystems, waste of resources."

Al Gore got rich by being born into a family of wealthy tobacco farmers. His father was also a Representative and Senator from Tennessee before Al, Jr followed in his footsteps.

It was mentioned earlier about the decline of aquifers in the Middle East. The aquifers in the western United States are also severely depleted and being over pumped. In addition snow and rainfall levels are declining. I saw a shocking article about the Alps. xyzde69 wasn't kidding about the glaciers disappearing. Here are some pictures from Alaska, the Alps, Glacier National Park in Montana, and Greenland.


The glaciers in Montana are 85% gone and don't figure to last too much longer. The "snow" you see in these pictures of the Alps is all artificial. Y'all know that Western Europe gets most of its water from the Alps, don't you? You better enjoy those French wines and German beers while you can.

[Roubignol]

Just look at this impressive retreat of the glacier called "la Mer de Glace" in 19 years (1990 to 2009).
On the right side you can read where was the level of the glacier in 1990.



Feel free to watch this well documented website (link here) dedicated to the retreat of this European glacier... among thousands of others.
Look carefully at the dates between comparative pictures taken from the same point of view.

"Mer de glace" means "sea of ice". It was called like that because it was the most impressive French glacier.

Retreat of the glaciers already create huge works to maintain hydro-electricity production.

On the top of the page of the website, you can watch other glaciers.

Here is another one called "le glacier du Trient"

The first picture was taken in 1981 .



and the second one in the middle of the 2000

[Arturo2nd]

A lot of these glacier pictures remind of places in Baja California and along the coast between Los Angeles and Monterey which were covered in glaciers during the last ice age. You have the same broad curved paths carved out by the massive ice flows.

[Arturo2nd]

Shell's climate game: Dutch journalist Jelmer Mommers, a reporter with De Correspondent in Amsterdam, has uncovered Royal Dutch Shell documents dating back as far as 1988 showing the oil company understood the threat climate change posed to the planet. Among the revelations was a 1988 report titled “The Greenhouse Effect” calculating that Shell alone was contributing 4 percent of global carbon-dioxide emissions. “By the time global warming becomes detectable it could be too late to take effective countermeasures to reduce the effects or even to stabilize the situation,” the report warned.

The findings echoes similar documents from the 1970s and '80s uncovered in investigative reports in InsideClimate News and the Los Angeles Times regarding one of Shell's biggest rivals, ExxonMobil. The new documents could end up playing a role in lawsuits brought by New York City and other governments against Shell and its competitors for their contributions to sea-level rise and other climate effects.

But like I said elsewhere, I have believed for some time that the human race was doomed because some folks were making big bucks out of the status quo and there are many folks who are gullible enough to be taken in by the propaganda campaign of the deniers. The thing I never understood was the willingness of folks to knowingly doom their children and grandchildren so that they could enjoy a more luxurious lifestyle.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

But like I said elsewhere, I have believed for some time that the human race was doomed because some folks were making big bucks out of the status quo and there are many folks who are gullible enough to be taken in by the propaganda campaign of the deniers. The thing I never understood was the willingness of folks to knowingly doom their children and grandchildren so that they could enjoy a more luxurious lifestyle.

If homo sapiens was that fair and realistic, it would have been for at least 40,000 years that we would have disappeared.

Now scientifically speaking, I recently listened to a conference given in 2007 by a climatologist Pr Berger.
That's terribly difficult to predict the future of the climate on Earth.
When they try to simulate the different values given by the IPCC, they observe that we could face cases that existed several hundred of million of years before humanity existed.
Sadly they don't get any notions of what happened.

In the 70's they thought that we would face the begining of an ice age.
Honestly speaking, ice age is not fun at all too.
A large part of the Northern hemisphere would be covered of ice and people would have to move more in the equatorial area.

But now with the new mathematical models, it seems they were wrong. For the next 50'000 years, without taking the CO2 emissions created by the humanity, humanity will face an interglacial period that seems stable.
That must be a huge chance, because if we look at the parameters of Milankovic, impacts caused by human made CO2 emissions, could be far more difficult to "predict".

But even getting this rare period of astronical stability, they don't know where we go.
Actually it seems that in a near future several hundred of millions of people will have to move from the borders of seas and oceans, because Northern pole and glaciers are melting.
We will face massive immigrations.

I personally use Ecosia as search engine.
Thanks to Ecosia, they reforest areas that were destroyed by human activity.
Is it good or not. Difficult to know.
But humanity has razed far too much forests in the past.

[Arturo2nd]

I love this little interactive map. Check out your favorite city. I t looks like my apartment will be right on the water front. Of course, I'll be dead or living elsewhere by then.

https://www.beforetheflood.com/explo...ea-level-rise/

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

I love this little interactive map. Check out your favorite city. I t looks like my apartment will be right on the water front. Of course, I'll be dead or living elsewhere by then.

https://www.beforetheflood.com/explo...ea-level-rise/

Make plans for your farewell visits to Amsterdam and Venice. Miami is already partially underwater. Needless to say New Orleans is doomed. But at least we will have found a way to clean up New York City and adjacent New Jersey cities.

It gives a whole new meaning to investments being underwater

[tsunamiSD]

Surprisingly, with the European heat waves, It's been over a year since the last post. For San Diego, this August has been the hottest one on record, and is the second hottest month of all time (just behind September, 1984.) On August 8th and 9th, the Scripps Institute of Oceanography measured all time record water temperatures off their pier. Maybe not coincidentally, on August 8th Maine had their second warmest coastal water temperature in recorded history.

[Greenman]

Of course Mr Trump believes the global warming thing is a Chinese plot-I think he lost his years ago and someone should slap him about a bit and show him how wrong he is and to get back to the table and sign the bloody declaration on climate change.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by tsunamiSD

Surprisingly, with the European heat waves, It's been over a year since the last post. For San Diego, this August has been the hottest one on record, and is the second hottest month of all time (just behind September, 1984.) On August 8th and 9th, the Scripps Institute of Oceanography measured all time record water temperatures off their pier. Maybe not coincidentally, on August 8th Maine had their second warmest coastal water temperature in recorded history.

We benefit today from modern scientific technology and method; but direct scientific observations and records of weather, temperature and seasonal conditions are relatively recent and short lived. We deduce much of what went before from study of tree ring data, antarctic ice core samples, pollen trapped in amber and similar indirect clues. We don't really know just how exceptional current climate conditions are, but we do know they are exceptional. We are in a Warm Period, probably warmer than the medieval warm period which ended about 750 years ago and about as warm as the Roman warm period which ended about 450 AD.