Current or modern politics in the United States

[Nobody1]

Originally Posted by hound dog

It's not a political protest, it's a social protest.

He does not have to protest if it is a social problem. The adequate approach would be to file criminal charges against persons unknown at the next police station. The police is obliged to take criminal charges seriously. They have to investigate violations of the law in the best judgment. It is their duty to identify and arrest wrongdoers. All further steps are taken by the public prosecutor. Criminals are convicted by a court if they are guilty. They have to go to jail.

Problem solved. Everyone is happy and satisfied.

However, the matter looks different when it is a political problem. Civil resistance would be necessary since state institutions, like the police, represent the problem. The second most effective form of civil resistance is peaceful public protest.

[hound dog]

Originally Posted by Nobody1

It is their duty to identify and arrest wrongdoers. All further steps are taken by the public prosecutor. Criminals are convicted by a court if they are guilty. They have to go to jail.

Problem solved. Everyone is happy and satisfied.

Only that's usually not what happens. DA's require a good working relationship with their local police force, so usually these cases are declined for prosecution. The local DA's career's are dependent upon convictions, not dispensing justice, that's what judges are supposed to do. But the reality is judges only interpret the law and rule according to that interpretation. DA's and assistant DA's get more convictions when the police cooperate with them thinking of them as "good guy's" and "on the side of law enforcement" versus someone out to put their brothers in blue behind bars for murder and not to be trusted or aided in pending cases. This usually results in no convictions for the DA, leading to their replacement, hopefully as far as law enforcement is concerned, with someone who has their backs. After all, if a DA (or assistant DA) isn't getting convictions they are seen as ineffective and replaced.

Maybe all such cases should be automatically referred to federal court as civil right violations, where the prosecuting attorney is not dependent on that same police force under direct scrutiny to support them in other/future cases they have or will have before the courts.

[steamjon]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

That's a product of his status of health respectively his mental condition, IMHO.

Are you trying to say he's nuts

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by TheBare

Looks like a lot of people don't understand the reasons for the electoral college

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...-matters-18331

http://www.historycentral.com/electi...collgewhy.html

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the...toral-college/

The fact that the Electoral College was designed to prevent the people electing a dangerous demagogue to the Presidency and its existence has lead to exactly that happening simply proves my argument that the founders were not as prescient as is portrayed in our mythology. Even the most avid of Hillary Clinton haters would concede that there are dozens of Republican politicians and business executives more qualified to be president than Donald Trump. Rex Tillerson and Mike Pence immediately come to mind.

[mindamatt]

referring to "Wikipedia" as a source is like quoting from a coloring book

[mindamatt]

Hillary is still not President right? LOL

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by mindamatt

Hillary is still not President right? LOL

Yes, and it increasingly appears that the country is the worse for it. Let's see how much you are laughing three years from now. BTW, if you live in Los Angeles, North Korea may have nuked you into oblivion by then.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

The fact that the Electoral College was designed to prevent the people electing a dangerous demagogue to the Presidency and its existence has lead to exactly that happening simply proves my argument that the founders were not as prescient as is portrayed in our mythology. Even the most avid of Hillary Clinton haters would concede that there are dozens of Republican politicians and business executives more qualified to be president than Donald Trump. Rex Tillerson and Mike Pence immediately come to mind.

The electoral college ensures that minority states cannot be overwhelmed by the voting power of majority states and will retain a voice. The fact is that Hillary Clinton sturdily ignored the people of the rust belt states and just assumed that they would vote for her even if she sacrificed black chickens to Satan on TV, on the basis that voting Republican would be like cutting their own throats. No matter what you think of the electoral college, and no matter what you might think of people who decided to vote against their own material interests in order to express their intense displeasure with the party which tried to impose Hillary Clinton on them against their will, Mrs Clinton has reaped the reward of ignoring and directly betraying her party's core supporters, and the electoral college made this just punishment possible.

It is not only Hillary Clinton and it is not only the Democrats. The entire American political elite suffers from an overwhelming illusion of entitlement. They feel very strongly that the American people are one big gravy train; they no longer even pretend that they are there to serve the American people rather than the other way around. However, it was Hillary Clinton's campaign rally which provided the defining images of this fatal sense of entitlement. She looked like a six year old who thought the presidency was going to be her birthday present.



She had totally failed to speak with the American people or engage with their needs, their fears for the future, their hopes or their dreams. She had spent eighteen months on not-campaigning, on pretending to campaign. And here she was acting as if she had already won and implying that she had an automatic right to be the winner, having done and said nothing to deserve it.

It was the electoral college which thwarted and punished this woman for being the worst candidate since Barry Goldwater; much much worse as a candidate than Mitt Romney or even Donald Trump.

Enough said.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

It was the electoral college which thwarted and punished this woman for being the worst candidate since Barry Goldwater; much much worse as a candidate than Mitt Romney or even Donald Trump.

Enough said.

We will have to agree to disagree about that. IMO Mrs. Clinton has been the focus of a relentless barrage of partisan propaganda that has skewed the public's perception of her. We must never forget that even the most "liberal" of U.S. news media outlets are owned by wealthy Republicans.

Folks seem to think Trump isn't accomplishing anything. On the contrary, He, Pruitt, Perry, and Zinke are rolling back 50 years of environmental protections and replacing scientific evaluation with industry run rampant. As we speak they are selling mineral rights on public lands at below market rates to their cronies. In addition, Mr. Sessions has revived the practice of incarcerating black men for lengthy periods for minor offenses in private prisons, where they provide labor at ridiculously low wages for those prisons profit making manufacturing enterprises. Finally, ICE is deporting the undocumented immigrant parents of minor children U.S. citizens while somehow allowing criminal drug traffickers and their hired killers to roam freely. Those parents have usually been gainfully employed or small business owners providing jobs and services for their communities.

I am also not enamored of the way Mr. Trump is handling relations with Iran and North Korea.

How's that Brexit thing coming along?

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

We will have to agree to disagree about that.

Naturally; no VEF rule requires anyone to agree with me.

After all; we are not Communists. ~ Don Emilio Barzini.

Originally Posted by Brian249x

IMO Mrs. Clinton has been the focus of a relentless barrage of partisan propaganda that has skewed the public's perception of her. We must never forget that even the most "liberal" of U.S. news media outlets are owned by wealthy Republicans.

Bernie Sanders had the same issue to deal with: but he managed to campaign well enough that Mrs Clinton's supporters had to rig the nomination contest to ensure she would get past him. The fact is that she was a really really really bad candidate. She didn't even campaign for most of the 18 month run up to the election poll, merely hiding from the media, saying as little as possible and taking every opportunity to fade into the background and hope that she would win by default as her egregiously bad opponents, Mr Trump especially, made public spectacles of themselves. The American voters needed something positive to rally behind and vote for, and she had no intention of risking anything so dangerous as to offer a platform for change, reform or improvement. This is not something invented by CNN, NBC, CBS and Fox News: it was as plain as the nose on her face.

Originally Posted by Brian249x

Folks seem to think Trump isn't accomplishing anything. On the contrary, He, Pruitt, Perry, and Zinke are rolling back 50 years of environmental protections and replacing scientific evaluation with industry run rampant. As we speak they are selling mineral rights on public lands at below market rates to their cronies. In addition, Mr. Sessions has revived the practice of incarcerating black men for lengthy periods for minor offenses in private prisons, where they provide labor at ridiculously low wages for those prisons profit making manufacturing enterprises. Finally, ICE is deporting the undocumented immigrant parents of minor children U.S. citizens while somehow allowing criminal drug traffickers and their hired killers to roam freely. Those parents have usually been gainfully employed or small business owners providing jobs and services for their communities.

I am also not enamored of the way Mr. Trump is handling relations with Iran and North Korea.

I have not a word to say in support of or even in defence of Mr Trump, who IMHO would dishonour a prison uniform. He is a liar and a worthless bastard; and I sincerely hope that God will punish him for his sins against many individuals and against the nation of America. My complaint against Hillary Clinton is that by her own profound unworthiness to run for the office she did her part to make President Trump possible, and I sincerely hope God punishes her too as she richly deserves.

Originally Posted by Brian249x

How's that Brexit thing coming along?

Ask me when it happens.