Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by ********

A third of us would throw Gibraltar under the bus to get a better deal.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/04/05...ereignty-over/

So two thirds wouldn't

[Mal Hombre]

I'd be surprised if any of that one third had conception of where or what Gibraltar is,Let alone cared...

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by ********

The majority of people think Brexit was a mistake.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7705301.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqZs7Vl_xg

Originally Posted by ********

A third of us would throw Gibraltar under the bus to get a better deal.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/04/05...ereignty-over/

44% of SNP supporters willing to sell Gibraltar down the river apparently. Yet I remember Nicola Sturgeon cozying up to the Gibraltar government directly after the referendum when it was known that Gibraltar had voted overwhelmingly to Remain.

What is the strange...piercing...sensation...between my shoulder blades?

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

But I have to say Puh that the Remain side and the EU (especially its appointed spokespeople) have handled the aftermath of the 23 June 2016 referendum very foolishly, in ways designed to provoke and antagonise both the firm Brexiteers and the middle ground, people who voted either Leave or Remain with a lot of reservations and doubts. I felt grave doubts when I voted Leave, but would have felt just as conflicted and dubious had I voted Remain. I found it the hardest decision I have ever made at a ballot box.

Were this question to be put to me a second time, and with what I now know, I would now vote Leave instantly and with deep conviction. I have seen from the Remainers (such as Kenneth Clark MP, the whole Scottish Nationalist Party, most of the metro-sexual Labour fakers, and of course the truly egregious Lib-Dems) enough to convince me that these people are not fit for dogs to piss on. I have seen the sneaking and malicious activities of the EU representatives. I have noted the direct attack on British sovereignty in Gibraltar, a really disgraceful and abusive action. This is a community which we should never have joined because it has shown ino friendship.

[....].

Sorry, what has your first paragraph to do with "no hard facts, no evidence" like I had wrote.

And than it's my personal meaning that the British had made the their most foolish decision since "Karl the Naked". Let's see who is right in what the future will harbour.

In case of Gibraltar there are other member-states before of it what some foolish EU - hard-liner are blaring out. I still would say, that for the overwhelming majority in the EU are shifting borders as unpopular as it could be.... except the citizens of Gibraltar want to rejoin with Spain.
I believe this was the return of some comments of Nigel Farage and some of those idiots in the EU - parliament and GB.
Those bitter commentaries are human and I can understand ... I can't take them as serious.

And for Spain itself: they have enough trouble with their Basque region and Andalusia region; they do not need more trouble with this rock if you ask me . And the principally of Andorra doesn't belong to Spain (like Monaco doesn't to France, or San Marino to Italy) too.

Of course Gibraltar will have to accept the EU - outside borders with all consequences, that will be negotiated in the near future.

[haroldeye]

The people of Gibraltar have had two referenda on the matter of joining Spain and both times they rejected the idea by the sort of majority that not even Stalin could muster.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by haroldeye

The people of Gibraltar have had two referenda on the matter of joining Spain and both times they rejected the idea by the sort of majority that not even Stalin could muster.

Yes but when they said NO they surely meant YES

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by ********

They will be begging to join if we have a hard Brexit. A hard border with Spain would destroy their economy... They would be living on aid supplies sent from the mainland UK, like some disaster area.

The Spain-Gibraltar border was closed by General Franco in 1969 and did not re-open until 1985. Gibraltar's economy was not destroyed.

In 1730 Spain built walls and fortifications to completely shut Gibraltar off from any contact with the world except by sea. These walls remained utterly without so much as a gate or a door until 1810, when much to her chagrin Spain found herself allied to Britain in the Napoleonic Wars. For 80 years Gibraltar was walled up like an unchaste nun. Gibraltar's economy was not destroyed.

Any fool can see that a cooperative relationship with the EU is in Britain's best interests. But I cannot help thinking that the EU is pretty big headed if it believes we cannot manage in the absence of a cooperative relationship, or even that Gibraltar cannot manage. I regret that it looks as if we might have to prove this point and show that we can cope with life outside the EU in order to persuade the EU to negotiate with us like grown ups.

Ignore Nigel Farage BTW, as we ignore Guy Verhofstadt. They are nothing more than static on the airwaves.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by ********

They will be begging to join if we have a hard Brexit. A hard border with Spain would destroy their economy... They would be living on aid supplies sent from the mainland UK, like some disaster area.

Gibraltar is for now a member of the EU, but Gibraltar isn't a member of the free trading with the EU.

So there will be as good as no economic changes in the future between Spain (EU) and Gibraltar.

[Brecht]

It may be incorrect to compare present-day Gibraltar with the Gibraltar from 40-50 years ago. Gibraltar is the EU's tax evaders' favorite place on European soil. That's Gibraltar's "economy" today. What's it going to be replaced with after Brexit? An automobile industry with 10.000 jobs at least?

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by Brecht

It may be incorrect to compare present-day Gibraltar with the Gibraltar from 40-50 years ago. Gibraltar is the EU's tax evaders favorite place on European soil. That's Gibraltar's "economy" today. What's it going to be replaced with after Brexit? An automobile industry with 10.000 jobs at least?

The most workplaces are in the tourism industry. Second place is some dockyards to ships repairs.

The secondary workplaces are in banks, what means offshore Banks. But with the European wide vigilance system this should being dried out soon or later.