The Worst President In American History Poll - Page 333

tubby1 · July 29th, 2014, 03:25 PM

I suppose the 2 worst presidents in my mind are Obama and George (WMD) Bush
Bush got us tied up for years and at least a trillion dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan and for what????
Terrorists are systematically taking back the region as we leave.... sickening the waste of US citizens/military and so much $$$$$$$$.

Obama refused to pay down our trillions of debt and someday it may come back to haunt us, bite us in the arse so to speak.

_Belo_ · July 30th, 2014, 01:45 AM

Any republican.
Republicans will lie about anything and they make you believe their lies.

**SanteeFats** · July 30th, 2014, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by _Belo_

Any republican.
Republicans will lie about anything and they make you believe their lies.

You forgot to include the Dems. If you think they are any better you sir are deluded.

BinLadenSucks · July 30th, 2014, 05:51 PM

I can't even pee without getting taxed....Wait, I'll correct that.....I can't even flush without getting taxed.

**SanteeFats** · July 30th, 2014, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by savage560

Really what has the GOP done to help ave. Americans lately?Where do they stand on HC for our masses?They have no stand!Were do they stand on the min. wage?In a lot of cases they want it lowered,in "enterprize zones".Where do they stand on conflicts WW?A great many would have us embroiled in about a half dozen conflicts by now,in the world,not the case now though with the Democrat president in office.The major recessions & depressions in the modern day,all under GOP presidents.Carter was only 6 months,Reagans was 7 years!At least for manufacturing workers.Which suffered under all GOP presidents,starting with Nixon.

Yeah savage I don't generally like Democratic (happy scoundrel?

) platforms but the Republican's are no better at this time in history IMO. Both parties need to get their fecal matter together and agree (haha) on some compromise on the issues. It does seem as if Obama has checked out at least internationally and that is a shame. Some one needs to step up and do something about some of the world situations but I don't know who could if Obama really has checked out.

**SanteeFats** · July 30th, 2014, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by savage560

Are you refering to the GOP,or worse,their propaganda machine,the mouthpiece of the Republican party.FOX News.I know scoundy loves them so ,I'll leave it at that!

Savage I watch Fox Sunday News with Chris Wallace. They always seem to have both sides on the show or at least have invited both sides and one may have declined. I am rather impressed by this show. Their panel of four does seem to support a more rightist leaning but they also have had a retired Democratic congressman on many times, I can't remember his name, but he refreshing as a moderate (for a Dem) and if more serving congressmen were like him something might get accomplished.

Then there is Fox's own Juan Williams who is left on most issues. Now I do not watch the daily shows, local or national, so I can't rebut them but I do like the Sunday one. TTFN

BinLadenSucks · July 30th, 2014, 09:29 PM

Would anyone make a claim that one cable news outlet doesn't lean towards a political ideology?

@ SanteeFats You mentioned Juan Williams but I'd really suggest catching Kirsten Powers. She's so less emotional and more level headed than Juan. I have seen her many times rip Bill O'Reilly a new ass and she will just stand behind it for weeks. She's on other Fox shows as well. I disagree with her most of the time but I've always kept a respect on her. Hell...I wish Fox would just replace the Geraldo Rivera with a show of her own

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One more issue about taxes that really gets me is our National Forests.

I pay taxes for their preservation..BUT...I cannot park my car in them, without having to pay a Fee. I used be be a avid backpacker but the bureaucracy has turned me off on our park system.

I cannot enjoy what I have already paid for.

**SanteeFats** · July 31st, 2014, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by savage560

Why I dislike FOX.Exposure by a nobel prize winning Economist, Paul Krugman.Cenk Uyger the comentator,used to be on MSNBC,a former republican,before the "hijacking, of das neue partei republikaner.Uyger ended up being canned from MSNBC, because he told that Bimbo,trash & lie spewing Laura Ingraham, on the air, where to go!I got on her show once too,but the trick of getting on to say your piece, is you have to agree with her!!Call screeners you know!Now is that free speach, or Geobbels' style propoganda?

Oh savage I don't watch any of those so I am not culpable nor constrained by their view points. Yes I am to the right but I also think I can see the other side. BOTH parties need to start working together for OUR greater good. Until that happens the US will never come to a compromise that works for all.

BinLadenSucks · July 31st, 2014, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Oh savage I don't watch any of those so I am not culpable nor constrained by their view points. Yes I am to the right but I also think I can see the other side. BOTH parties need to start working together for OUR greater good. Until that happens the US will never come to a compromise that works for all.

I agree...I'm more comfortable with Fox...But that's just me. I watch and listen to the other sides as well.

I think it would be irresponsible not for doing such and I usually don't pay much mind to those who don't. Just seems like a waste of breath from someone who can't see viewpoints from other sides.

BigTrain · July 31st, 2014, 07:59 PM

Anybody who listens to or watches the liberal corporate whore media for information, is wasting their time and taking in loads of propaganda. Period. Whether it be CNN, FOX News, MSNBC, BBC etc. They are all smokescreens. Telling you and showing you what they want you to see and hear. If you want real information, stick with alternative media, in other words, real news that gives real information. I personally like Infowars for all my news.

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tubby1 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 39 Thanks: 91 Thanked 779 Times in 44 Posts	I suppose the 2 worst presidents in my mind are Obama and George (WMD) Bush Bush got us tied up for years and at least a trillion dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan and for what???? Terrorists are systematically taking back the region as we leave.... sickening the waste of US citizens/military and so much $$$$$$$$. Obama refused to pay down our trillions of debt and someday it may come back to haunt us, bite us in the arse so to speak. Last edited by tubby1; July 29th, 2014 at 05:22 PM.. Reason: update information

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BinLadenSucks Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 282 Thanks: 4,487 Thanked 2,018 Times in 279 Posts	Would anyone make a claim that one cable news outlet doesn't lean towards a political ideology? @ SanteeFats You mentioned Juan Williams but I'd really suggest catching Kirsten Powers. She's so less emotional and more level headed than Juan. I have seen her many times rip Bill O'Reilly a new ass and she will just stand behind it for weeks. She's on other Fox shows as well. I disagree with her most of the time but I've always kept a respect on her. Hell...I wish Fox would just replace the Geraldo Rivera with a show of her own ----------------------------------------------- One more issue about taxes that really gets me is our National Forests. I pay taxes for their preservation..BUT...I cannot park my car in them, without having to pay a Fee. I used be be a avid backpacker but the bureaucracy has turned me off on our park system. I cannot enjoy what I have already paid for. Last edited by BinLadenSucks; July 30th, 2014 at 09:30 PM.. Reason: grammar

July 30th, 2014, 01:45 AM	#3322
_Belo_ Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 5 Thanked 37 Times in 5 Posts	Any republican. Republicans will lie about anything and they make you believe their lies.

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BinLadenSucks Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 282 Thanks: 4,487 Thanked 2,018 Times in 279 Posts	I can't even pee without getting taxed....Wait, I'll correct that.....I can't even flush without getting taxed.

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BigTrain Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 39 Thanks: 995 Thanked 145 Times in 39 Posts	Anybody who listens to or watches the liberal corporate whore media for information, is wasting their time and taking in loads of propaganda. Period. Whether it be CNN, FOX News, MSNBC, BBC etc. They are all smokescreens. Telling you and showing you what they want you to see and hear. If you want real information, stick with alternative media, in other words, real news that gives real information. I personally like Infowars for all my news.