The Worst President In American History Poll

[dethtongue]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

I don't mean this in a nasty way, Rodak, but really you should not use words unless you understand what they mean. You patently have no idea what a Marxist is if you can, in sober seriousness, tell us all that President Obama is a Marxist. For the record: Marxism, as defined by the Merriam-Webster online dictionary.


None of this is remotely demonstrated by anything which President Obama has done either in office or as a senator. To be quite honest, who gives two hoots who Mr Obama used to hang with as a young dude? Do, please, offer us an analysis of the naughty Marxist things Mr Obama has done.

The word Marxist is simply how one says pagan or infidel in the post modern world. Its shorthand for telling all the faithful to get their pitchforks out and get the fires lit. Like back then it didn't really matter if it was accurate or not so long as uttering it enough times made it finally stick to someone. It allows us to hate and still feel morally superior to what we hate.

[sydney1]

Originally Posted by dethtongue

The word Marxist is simply how one says pagan or infidel in the post modern world. Its shorthand for telling all the faithful to get their pitchforks out and get the fires lit. Like back then it didn't really matter if it was accurate or not so long as uttering it enough times made it finally stick to someone. It allows us to hate and still feel morally superior to what we hate.

Tell you what's worst than a Marxist, it's a....Bieleber! They are truly trying to take over the world. And Bieber's a Canadian. They will infiltrate from the North, probably near Windsor, through Detroit. Watch your back, America!

[dethtongue]

Originally Posted by sydney1

Tell you what's worst than a Marxist, it's a....Bieleber! They are truly trying to take over the world. And Bieber's a Canadian. They will infiltrate from the North, probably near Windsor, through Detroit. Watch your back, America!

To go off on a meaningless tangent here I find Justin Bieber to be a curious case of the old paradox: The Chicken of the Egg. Is he an asshole that no one likes who somehow got really famous or is he a person who was made famous by the music industry hype machine that turned into an asshole because no one likes him.

I get that people find him annoying. His banal and cliché laden music was targeted to swooning 13 and 14 year olds girls, and even now its impossible to casually surf TV or the internet without every single unimportant and meaningless thing he's done in the past 24 hours being top news.

He seems to be rapidly turning into a douche, but quite frankly if I was an 18 year old kid surrounded by grown adults all telling me that I'm great and wonderful, and I have literally millions of dollars to spend to back that up, and an endless cadre of nubile little honeys throwing themselves at me I would most likely turn into an insufferable shit-head also. He's really nothing more than a living example of how a savvy marketing campaign can make anyone famous, and then once famous how they refuse to let them be not famous.

Because the rise to fame is only half the story were still seeing the inevitable other half where popular culture likes deconstructing and tearing these icons down. Its almost part of the script his handler's have given him that he now becomes an object lesson of the drawbacks to fame. Just look at the train wreck Lindsey Lohan's life has become. Were now giving her reality TV shows where her self destruction is paraded for us in all its horrible fascination. I'm not saying neither of them aren't responsible for their actions. I'm just saying were giving them the rope to hang themselves with because its fun.

Jack Gleesons decision to quit acting following the death of King Joffery makes a lot of sense when you consider what we expect of child celebrities. There are already enough people out there who can't distinguish between the actor and the character he played. How much worse is it when the character you are playing is you?

[steelydan]

Originally Posted by rodak

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...irs-targeting/

Fox News... The gold standard in news reporting.

[mooney]

If you claimed non-profit status and then gave money to any political organization beyond what is lawful, guess what, you're going to get investigated. And rightfully so. The obtuse reactions from people that think the original Boston Tea Party was about not paying taxes is not surprising, I suppose.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by rodak

As to the definition of a marxist I will admit to being wrong on the dictatorship part of the definition... For now anyhow.

As to obama being the worst President in American history.
he has been in my history on the planet.

Funnily enough, though it has certainly not been a dictatorship of the proletariat, I do think that President Obama's lousy civil rights record is the closest he comes to anything which might be called "Marxist"; but "Fascist" would be more accurate in my book. Is the USA anything like as free or democratic a country as she was under Eisenhower or Kennedy? True; that toerag J Edgar Hoover has died. But what else has happened to benefit individual freedom in the USA? You live now under a range of security legislation which seeks to enable the state to oppress the people, in the name of defending their safety. Your national solution to this seems to be to venerate assault rifles, as though plotting against the authority of the state will make your world a better place, when what is necessary is scrutiny and vigilance when watching how the executive and legislature try to balance the competing demands of individual freedom and the common safety of all.

In 2008, both Mr Obama and Mr McCain campaigned against the security aparatus which was assembled by Cheney and Rumsfelt (two very evil men) which George W Bush holidayed in Texas and Camp David for rather more than a third of his presidency. Mr McCain firmly dealt with the notion that water-boarding is not torture, saying on the platform that he would consider waterboarding to be torture if it was being done to him. John McCain had authority to talk about being tortured because he was a POW in the Vietnam War and he was very severely tortured; he knew what he was talking about, and when he said he considered waterboarding to be torture, his opinion carried weight. We were invited in that election to believe that both candidates were against the policies of the outgoing administration. Sadly:

• Extraordinary rendition: same old same old still going on.
• Detention at Guantanamo Bay without trial, now some people have been there for well over ten years without trial, yet we are confidently told they are terrorists. No trial and no due process, but we know they're guilty because the government says so, right?

  Let the jury consider their verdict,’ the King said, for about the twentieth time that day. ‘No, no!’ said the Queen. ‘Sentence first — verdict afterwards.’
  ‘Stuff and nonsense!’ said Alice loudly. ‘The idea of having the sentence first!’
  ‘Hold your tongue!’ said the Queen, turning purple.
  ‘I won’t!’ said Alice. ~Alice in Wonderland: Lewis Carroll.
  

[jumbo prawns]

While it is very true that President Obama failed to keep his promise to close Guantanamo, lets not lose sight of the simple fact that a Republican Congress made closure of Guantanamo all but impossible.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...uantanamo-bay/

And as for the last remaining scandal on rodak's list. The IRS scandal can (and has been) debunked using just footage from Fox news. As a scandal it is truly that weak:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05...-source/194268

Like Benghazi or Fast and Furious, or what have you, there exists (and plenty of it) sworn, under oath testimony that is available to anyone who want to take the time to read it, that clearly shows that these so call scandals have nothing to do with the President and even less to do with his administration.

Back to Marxists.

In history most, if not all, Marxists who came to power were ruthless in their conduct. And yet over and over the right tells us that President Obama is weak and ineffective. (which in America is worse than being a Marxist) So which is it?

Is President Obama the worlds first weak, overly empathetic, indecisive, tyrannical dictator? Someone should make a fox news montage of them repetitively stating that he is weak, while stating over and over that he drives his administration with an iron fist.

Of course a few already did:
http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014...o-wimp/358793/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-r...-these-people/

But what Stewart found strangest was that whenever Obama asserts his authority, Fox News goes to down on how lawless and imperial he’s being, so in other words, Stewart summed up, “Barack Obama is a weak, mom jeans-wearing dictator king!” He asked bewilderedly, “What the hell is wrong with these people?!”

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by jumbo prawns

A quick Google will show that he is in fact making crap up.

Again the facts on ObamaCare or the ACA are:

Q. I am enrolled in the Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) Program. Can I keep my coverage?
A. Yes, you can continue your FEHB coverage as an eligible Federal employee, retiree, or dependent.
Q. Does the coverage of all the plans in the FEHB Program qualify as minimum essential coverage as required by the Affordable Care Act’s individual shared responsibility requirement ?
A. Yes, the coverage of all the FEHB plans qualifies as minimum essential coverage and satisfies the Affordable Care Act’s individual shared responsibility requirement .
Q. How has the Affordable Care Act affected the benefits available under the FEHB Program?
A. The Affordable Care Act has allowed OPM to expand eligibility and strengthen benefits and consumer protections under the FEHB Program



So lets review. ALL Federal Plans qualified under ObamaCare so he is wrong about that. And ObamaCare canceled none of them so he is wrong about that too. And ObamaCare actually EXPANDED coverage and eligibility.



Like everything else these Facts are EASY to find and easier to prove.



I wonder why conservatives are so upset about a plan that they invented, implemented and suggested prior to ObamaCare. The only reason that I can see has to do with the President's melanin levels.

The only crap I make up goes in to my toilet. You need a reality check my not friend.
I am sooo glad you believe everything you read online. Also that you can decide I am a conservative. I know what happened to me. What you posted is wrong for me. I did receive a cancellation notice, I did have to find another coverage. Yes it is all FEHB but I still was not able to continue with my plan of 27 years and I had to switch providers.
When Obama was elected the first time I gave him the benefit of his actions. I have been disappointed but I have been disappointed by several U.S. presidents. To say I am basing my statements on the fact he is black is not only wrong but makes you a reverse racist (assuming I am white).

[SanteeFats]

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And as for the last remaining scandal on rodak's list. The IRS scandal can (and has been) debunked using just footage from Fox news. As a scandal it is truly that weak:


Like Benghazi or Fast and Furious, or what have you, there exists (and plenty of it) sworn, under oath testimony that is available to anyone who want to take the time to read it, that clearly shows that these so call scandals have nothing to do with the President and even less to do with his administration.

So you actually believe that politicians and career government employees will tell the truth just because they took an oath? Look up naive please.

[jumbo prawns]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

So you actually believe that politicians and career government employees will tell the truth just because they took an oath? Look up naive please.

No, but I believe the military professionals, both officers and enlisted men, I also believe ALL of the other independent witness that were called. Again if you take the time to actually read the reports you will find that most of the witnesses called were NOT politicians and career government employees.

Many of these people put their hand on a bible and swore an oath to their God ALL of them understood the penalty of jail time swore to tell the truth. The fact that Fox news in several years of looking has not found anything real speaks volumes doesn't it.

Look up uniformed please.