James Bond & Bond Girls Discussion Thread

[Greenman]

I'm not arguing I was taking a different tack with this. Personally I love all the Bond films but I think Daniel Craig is probably the best now. Maybe one day they might remake O.H.M.S.S. as long as it's nothing like that mess Never Say Never Again.

[leviathan0999]

Originally Posted by Mr Bond

I talk about period, not facts.

The period is only relevant because of world events. That's why it's called the Cold War. And Bond didn't really deal with those world events at all, even from the very first movie.

The filmmakers adopted Fleming's creation of a criminal organization that wasn't tied in with the Cold War. Fleming created SPECTRE to make the Bond adventures more timeless.

[Mr Bond]

Originally Posted by Greenman

No I never read the books I'm afraid-I only know the films and that was what I was basing my premise on. I'm afraid also find it very difficult to understand what you are getting at, but then you can't help that your first language isn't English but I get most of what you mean.

Yes. My first language isn't English. You understand me, and no problem.
My mother left when I was a child, and was English. I lived with my father then in France, because he was French. and I never review my English family who knew me more ...
In reaction to the abandonment, I have not spoken English for a long time. That is why today, I have flaws. (But bond itself is it not half English and half French ? His mother, Swiss named Monique Delacroix ).

For the rest, you should read the books, you and the other members who have not read. Because Bond is not at all what you say.
For example, in Casino Royale, after an explosion in the street, he goes to vomit.
He is not sadistic (the OO7 of the films is very often since the beginning).
At the beginning of each book, or almost, he cry about the bond girl of the previous book, as a teenager.
Physically, Connery, Lazenby and Dalton are the most lifelike portrait of the one by Fleming.

Craig is an UFO, Brosnan too. No class.
( It just my opinion ! It's not the war, men ! )

Read books could open your mind and continue the fun you have with the movies. And you could discover many things.
For example, OHMSS is the story before YOLT. The films were adapted in any order, and also, for example, never SPECTRE was in DRN, FRWL, or DAF.
The books are very very exciting. Of course, if Bond had been adapted as books, he would not have had the success he has had. But a good movie is still a movie that has been successful ? The films would have more look like IPCRESS or QUILLER, if you know them. Pure spy game. And very good movies too.

I, also, of course, love all the films in the series. But I regret some slippage as Moonraker, Octopussy, A View to a Kill, or MWGG, movies for children, (my opinion!). Bond is a personnage for adults.

A agree with you for NSNA. What a pity !
But for True lies ! Greenman ! Yes, the opening sequence alone was magnificent. But the rest is just a remake of that french film ' La totale ". A comedy, not serious.

So, it's fun to talk with men who like Bond.

So ( again ) I just say "I would have preferred Bond remains in fifties or sixties without too many gadgets or too much muscles or too much stunts, incredible battles never end ".
Keep your Walther in your pocket, guys. I'm a friend ! ( Mr Bond )

[Mr Bond]

Originally Posted by leviathan0999

The period is only relevant because of world events. That's why it's called the Cold War. And Bond didn't really deal with those world events at all, even from the very first movie.

The filmmakers adopted Fleming's creation of a criminal organization that wasn't tied in with the Cold War. Fleming created SPECTRE to make the Bond adventures more timeless.

SPECTRE was created by Fleming, Kevin McClory, and Jack Whittingham.
The justice, if I well remember, said Mc Clory is the " father " of Blofeld.
The book FRWL is about Bond and Smersh, the russians. Cold War lookalike, cause Spectre is not in the original story, the book.

[Greenman]

I would like to add something that Henry Blofeld's father was a friend of Ian Fleming and it is he that Blofeld was based on-at least that is where the name came from. Henry, a well-known cricket commentator on the BBC Radio Test Match Special programme revealed this last Summer when interviewed on BBC Radio 5Live to Colin Murray. SMERSH doesn't stand for anything as far as I know but SPECTRE did, Special Executive for Counterterrorism, Revenge and Extortion

[Jack Keroact]

Connery had the physicality to play Bond. Also he had the hottest women: Kim Bassinger, Ursula Undress, pearl diver babes, lotsoftop JIll St John and the dead pool babe, Shirley Eaton, Claudine Auger, Martine Beswick and the one from From Russia With Love. All these non-horsey women. He was the best Bond because he was politically incorrect. Although Never Say Never and Diamonds too comedic with chatty killer gays, etc.

Daniel Craig comes a close second: Olga Kurylenko, Gemma Arterton (fuk me dead), Eva Green, all holy crap walking sperm banks.

Final note. They should have cast Sean Bean as Bond in Goldeneye. He would have made a great Bond as riveting as Sharp, another favorite of mine.

[Mr Bond]

Originally Posted by Jack Keroact

Connery had the physicality to play Bond. Also he had the hottest women: Kim Bassinger, Ursula Undress, pearl diver babes, lotsoftop JIll St John and the dead pool babe, Shirley Eaton, Claudine Auger, Martine Beswick and the one from From Russia With Love. All these non-horsey women. He was the best Bond because he was politically incorrect.

Lazenby had Diana Rigg ! Not bad, no ? ( And Angela Scoular, etc.. )
Just for the fun : Take a look to the finalists for the part of 007 in OHMSS !
And there, even those who think Lazenby was not good are forced to say : whew ! Thank you Producers, thank you mister Hunt, for choosing George Lazenby !

[Greenman]

Well speaking as a page 3 fan I think Roger Moore had the best looking background girls as most of them were page 3 girls and they seemed to be used a lot from 1981-85-FYEO-A View To A Kill which was the peak of page 3 usage.

[msjayhawk]

Originally Posted by Greenman

I would like to add something that Henry Blofeld's father was a friend of Ian Fleming and it is he that Blofeld was based on-at least that is where the name came from. Henry, a well-known cricket commentator on the BBC Radio Test Match Special programme revealed this last Summer when interviewed on BBC Radio 5Live to Colin Murray. SMERSH doesn't stand for anything as far as I know but SPECTRE did, Special Executive for Counterterrorism, Revenge and Extortion

SMERSH is a Soviet counterintelligence agency featured in Ian Fleming's early James Bond novels as agent 007's nemesis. СМЕРШ (SMERSH) is an acronym from two Russian words: "SMERt' SHpionam" (СМЕРть Шпионам, Směrt Špionam) meaning "Death to Spies".
Though Fleming's version of SMERSH supposedly was modelled upon the real SMERSH organization, which existed 1943-1946, the novels portray SMERSH as a massive Soviet counterintelligence organisation, much more resembling the real-life KGB, which aims its operatives abroad in subversion of the West, with the additional goal of killing Western spies, particularly James Bond of SIS. SMERSH's headquarters are stated to be in Leningrad, Soviet Union.
In the Bond film series, SMERSH is usually replaced with SPECTRE - a global terrorist organization.

[Greenman]

Well I did say I hadn't read the books so obviously SMERSH did stand for something. Interestingly 'Smiert Spionam'(sp?) was the message left on 00 agents before being killed in 'The Living Daylights' - remember the chap climbing up the cliff only to receive that note sent down his rope by the villain before having it cut and sending him to his doom.