Remakes !

**MaxJoker** · 08-18-2009, 10:22 AM

I remember cringing when i first heard about them remaking Superman , and rightly so as despite a few snazzy effects it was a complete damp squib totally failing to mirror the entertaining magic or acting chemistry of the original . Felt the same when Zombie`s updated Halloween came into being , never more so as nobody much listened to me and so Mr Myers turned into a weak caricature of it`s mighty predecessor .Why did they even try in the first place ?, what are there no new original script ideas anymore ?

Well that`s impossible of course ,as i’ve written three in the last two years. Yet still the easy safe option of the remake (Or that other risky option the sequel ) has become the mainstay of the mainstream . Alright some remakes sound quite good and were great. Like Invasion of the body snatches (The one with Donald Sutherland ) for instance

I`m even hopeful of the proposed Judge Dredd one . As lets be honest the original was such a turkey i`m surprised they didn`t include a packet of sage and onion with each DVD. But now the latest news i hear is a remake of Straw Dogs ! , what are they kidding . How can you remake that classic ?, never more since it was of it`s time . What are they going to change the tale so it`s about a young couple who move to a Muslim community and end up getting terrorized after inadvertently insulting them by roasting a pig in their back garden ?.

Madness , i mean the next thing you know they`ll be talking about remaking that iconic masterpiece The Wickerman

Moving on then

See this thread is about the remakes you think should never have happened , and the remakes you wish they`d hurry up and do . Also the ones you liked or didn`t or , well you know

By the by don`t just throw in some titles with no explanation as to why you`ve done so as that`s kinda lazy (And lazy don`t cut it) , plus this is a discussion thread after all

**dohupa** · 08-18-2009, 10:36 AM

It depends on the talent of the filmmaker really. Martin Scorsese's version of Cape Fear was a lot better than the original mind you.

Nick Nolte wasn't so innocent (remember the tension scenes with Jessica lange?) and that added to the depth of the character.

That said, I would love Alfred Hitchcock being around and re-do Malice. Remember that great but under-estimated movie of the 90s?

**MaxJoker** · 08-19-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dohupa

It depends on the talent of the filmmaker really. Martin Scorsese's version of Cape Fear was a lot better than the original mind you.

Nick Nolte wasn't so innocent (remember the tension scenes with Jessica lange?) and that added to the depth of the character.

That said, I would love Alfred Hitchcock being around and re-do Malice. Remember that great but under-estimated movie of the 90s?

Have to disagree with you there (Which be cool and what discussion is all about ) as i found the original more sinister than the remake overall , also the pairing of Mitchum and Peck was i thought superior to DeNero and Nolte also i felt more believable as well. I mean didn`t anybody else feel DeNero hammed his role up to the hilt ?, and god couldn`t he at least have toned down his trade make squints for the part of Cady ?. Anyway for me at least i preferred the first setting , because what`s better to watch than a nice calm tranquil family pool of happiness suddenly get a dirty big rock thrown into the middle of it ?. The re-makes central family was much too fractured to begin with for me (Wouldn`t have cared who lived or died by the end ), and sure i worked out the subtext that this particular dirty stone didn`t so much as cause massive ripples as bring the family back together but still

Oh and i remember Malice , Kidman never looked better . Baldwin stole the scenes he was in , plus a blind kid saw it all

**dohupa** · 08-19-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenSkull

Have to disagree with you there (Which be cool and what discussion is all about ) as i found the original more sinister than the remake overall , also the pairing of Mitchum and Peck was i thought superior to DeNero and Nolte also i felt more believable as well.

You must be the 1st that I know of who liked the original better - well maybe along with the lot than thanked you here also.

I ain't kidding;

anyway, Marty I think would be ideal having a go at The Night of the Hunter (1955) - a true classic.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048424/

I'm surprised he hasn't considered it yet a lover of the world cinema he is.

**RyderKnightley** · 08-19-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dohupa

I ain't kidding;

anyway, Marty I think would be ideal having a go at The Night of the Hunter (1955) - a true classic.

No, leave The Night of the Hunter exactly as it is. What made the film a classic was its unusuality, looking totally different from anything else around.

rad2927 · 08-19-2009, 07:37 PM

Night of the Hunter was remade with Richard Chamberlain and it showed again remakes are generaly a waste of time. I do agree that Cape Fear was an exeption but I have a hard time picking which version I like better. Maybe if they had switched the casting-if Nolte and Deniro had gone against type.

**Estreeter** · 08-18-2009, 10:39 AM

I'm often very critical of remakes, even too the point where I will just refuse too watch the remake, I do cave in and make exception from time too time.

"Cape Fear" is one of them simply for the fact that Robert Mitchum and Gregory Peck starred in the original had roles in the remake which starred Robert DeNiro, now thats a cast you cannot go wrong with. Very enjoyable.

**Greenman** · 08-18-2009, 03:09 PM

Well I read that Battlestar Gallactica is to be remade, but hang on first there was a film, that begat the series, which begat a sequel or next generation type series and now a film-talk about going full circle! And not forgetting the James Bond remake of that 60's shambles Casino Royale which thankfully was ten times better than the origina, The Taking of Pelham 123 remade this year and the St Trinians films although that is a little more up-to-date than a total remake. What next I wonder?

Giacson · 08-18-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenSkull

Madness , i mean the next thing you know they`ll be talking about remaking that iconic masterpiece The Wickerman

I dont really know if that was sarcasm or you missed this smelly wet dog featuring Nick Cage in the leading role.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450345/

I was disapointed in the remake of "Man Hunter". "Red Dragon" just didnt have the same punch as the original, though I do like most of Ed Norton's work. It was only a tool to promote the upcoming "Hannibal" at the time. In the original, they actualy managed to create a moment of sympathy for the greatly disturbed villain Dollarhyde that I prefered over the childhood history in the second. Tom Noonan and Joan Allen were much better played then Ralph Fiennes and Emily Watson

**MaxJoker** · 08-18-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Giacson

I dont really know if that was sarcasm or you missed this smelly wet dog featuring Nick Cage in the leading role.

Obviously spoken (Ok written) by a fellow member not familiar with my work

As in i didn`t miss it , i practically ran from it. Bad enough they did a remake anyway but why have that failed Elvis impersonator in the lead role

Trying to think of the most recent decent remake i`ve seen lately and that would have to be the 3:10 to Yuma , surprisingly good in fact.

08-18-2009, 10:22 AM	#1
MaxJoker I Beg To Differ Sir ..... Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cemetery Gardens_Arterial Blood Lane_Rampton Secure Unit_Extra Violent F Wing_Cell 19 Posts: 12,692 Thanks: 84,743 Thanked 172,897 Times in 13,776 Posts	Remakes ! I remember cringing when i first heard about them remaking Superman , and rightly so as despite a few snazzy effects it was a complete damp squib totally failing to mirror the entertaining magic or acting chemistry of the original . Felt the same when Zombie`s updated Halloween came into being , never more so as nobody much listened to me and so Mr Myers turned into a weak caricature of it`s mighty predecessor .Why did they even try in the first place ?, what are there no new original script ideas anymore ? Well that`s impossible of course ,as i’ve written three in the last two years. Yet still the easy safe option of the remake (Or that other risky option the sequel ) has become the mainstay of the mainstream . Alright some remakes sound quite good and were great. Like Invasion of the body snatches (The one with Donald Sutherland ) for instance I`m even hopeful of the proposed Judge Dredd one . As lets be honest the original was such a turkey i`m surprised they didn`t include a packet of sage and onion with each DVD. But now the latest news i hear is a remake of Straw Dogs ! , what are they kidding . How can you remake that classic ?, never more since it was of it`s time . What are they going to change the tale so it`s about a young couple who move to a Muslim community and end up getting terrorized after inadvertently insulting them by roasting a pig in their back garden ?. Madness , i mean the next thing you know they`ll be talking about remaking that iconic masterpiece The Wickerman Moving on then See this thread is about the remakes you think should never have happened , and the remakes you wish they`d hurry up and do . Also the ones you liked or didn`t or , well you know By the by don`t just throw in some titles with no explanation as to why you`ve done so as that`s kinda lazy (And lazy don`t cut it) , plus this is a discussion thread after all __________________ My hypocrisy only goes so far

08-18-2009, 10:36 AM	#2
dohupa Upper class you can kiss my ass. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Athens Posts: 3,151 Thanks: 7,115 Thanked 72,342 Times in 3,869 Posts	It depends on the talent of the filmmaker really. Martin Scorsese's version of Cape Fear was a lot better than the original mind you. Nick Nolte wasn't so innocent (remember the tension scenes with Jessica lange?) and that added to the depth of the character. That said, I would love Alfred Hitchcock being around and re-do Malice. Remember that great but under-estimated movie of the 90s? __________________

08-18-2009, 10:39 AM	#7
Estreeter Waste Management Consultant Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Both Of The Garden States Posts: 9,719 Thanks: 75,890 Thanked 142,161 Times in 10,777 Posts	Cape Fear I'm often very critical of remakes, even too the point where I will just refuse too watch the remake, I do cave in and make exception from time too time. "Cape Fear" is one of them simply for the fact that Robert Mitchum and Gregory Peck starred in the original had roles in the remake which starred Robert DeNiro, now thats a cast you cannot go wrong with. Very enjoyable. __________________ It's Just Business

08-18-2009, 03:09 PM	#8
Greenman Former Mod/80's Page 3 Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: An attic in England Posts: 12,768 Thanks: 21,054 Thanked 182,840 Times in 14,492 Posts	Well I read that Battlestar Gallactica is to be remade, but hang on first there was a film, that begat the series, which begat a sequel or next generation type series and now a film-talk about going full circle! And not forgetting the James Bond remake of that 60's shambles Casino Royale which thankfully was ten times better than the origina, The Taking of Pelham 123 remade this year and the St Trinians films although that is a little more up-to-date than a total remake. What next I wonder? __________________ There is only ONE Greenman, accept no substitutes! "If I should die, think only this of me...I'll be back to get ya!" Blackadder Goes Forth

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08-19-2009, 07:37 PM	#6
rad2927 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 48 Thanks: 7,246 Thanked 159 Times in 51 Posts	Night of the Hunter was remade with Richard Chamberlain and it showed again remakes are generaly a waste of time. I do agree that Cape Fear was an exeption but I have a hard time picking which version I like better. Maybe if they had switched the casting-if Nolte and Deniro had gone against type.