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Originally Posted by palo5
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Originally Posted by Mal Hombre
"Social Order at the expense of liberty is no bargain."
Donatien Alphonse Francois,Marquis De Sade
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"Liberty at the expense of social order is no bargain either"
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Those who expect the blessings of freedom must, like men, undertake the fatigue of supporting it.
~ Tom Paine
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If men were angels. government would not be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.
~ President James Madison.
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It is false to imagine that you can choose between freedom and social order. It you do not have both, you will have neither. This is why VEF has moderators.
~ the thoughts of Scoundrel.