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Old March 19th, 2017, 08:30 AM   #1743
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Originally Posted by vannax View Post
LOL.
Osama Bin Laden was very rich.
Lots of ISIS recruits come from educated, middle class backgrounds.
Also, the crime stats don't mention the motives of the crimes, so you have no idea how many may or may not be associated with Muslims.

But keep on telling lies and obfuscating islamic atrocities by trying to deflect attention from them by saying things like the USA has weekly mass shooting at schools.

You have developed a credibility gap.
As far as I know, there are very few Muslims in Latin America. There are plenty of drug gangs and right wing death squads.

Please stop misquoting me, then accusing me of lying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

Please note that homicide rates are much higher in the Caribbean, Latin America, and many African nations than in the Middle East, even granting that a large part of the killings in Western Africa are being committed by groups claiming allegiance to ISIS. But the deadliness of the tribal warfare in Southern Africa dwarfs even the ethnic and religious warfare in South Sudan and Uganda. But even in these areas trail the deadliness of the mayhem being wrought by the Latin American gangs and political violence. This is why I believe the violence is being committed by psychopaths acting under cover of religion.

I cannot blame Islam for all the violence committed in its name any more than I can blame Christianity for the murders and atrocities committed by so-called "Christians." Even a passing familiarity with Christian doctrines makes it clear that such actions do not conform to Christian doctrine.

We have had similar problems in Oakland, where anarchists and criminals will show up at peaceful demonstrations or student protests and attack the police and vandalize local businesses. The last thing that women and students want to do is damage local merchants. It is understood that these small businesses operate on thin margins and provide jobs and services for locals. And as you note that some criminal leaders in the Muslim world come from the upper reaches of society, the bulk of our local "political" criminals come from middle and upper class homes.

Certain cities in the United States have very high murder rates, while most are very peaceful. The United States is often characterized as a violent and dangerous country, but it really depends on where you live. In point of fact, the United States has a murder rate less than half of that of Russia, for example, and less than 5% that of a Honduras.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph.../daily-chart-3

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...der-rates.html

It must be admitted that we are talking rough estimates in less developed countries as those areas lack the governmental control and data gathering capabilities of first world nations. It would be unsurprising if homicides are being underreported in the Third World.

P.S. The United States does average about one shooting per week at a school. (142 shootings during the years 2013 - 2016.) Very few result in multiple deaths, however. Far and away the greatest cause of cases where multiple people are killed is when family members kill each other, most often when a man kills his children, wife or ex-wife, and then commits suicide. I apologize for making a careless comment.
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