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**Rubinski** · April 8th, 2015, 04:22 PM

Sorry, this is a long one.
From the viewpoint of a searcher of mostly 1980s girls.

First thing I look for is something verifiable.
If we can see it in videos or scans, I consider that a solid ID.
Even if it is just a first name.

Any verifiable/solid ID is at least an AKA.
Might not want to list all the solid first name IDs, but they should be considered AKAs.

I don't believe the reliability of sources, or someone's opinion of the ID, should be considered in what is a solid/verifiable ID.

When we have more than one 'solid ID', and they match, I call that a 'confirmed ID'.

There may be more than one ID to consider, so a confirmed ID does not mean we will use it as her primary trade name, but it is at least a confirmed AKA.

Somewhere along the way, I consider if it is searchable.
If it has a first and last name to it, they usually become more searchable.

We spend a lot of effort on finding these First/Last name IDs.

I believe if an ID is solid/verifiable, and is a F/L name ID, then it is a suitable ID.
Almost the lowest level of suitable.
Might even be all we get.

If that F/L name ID is unique, and/or searchable, then it is even better.

If there is a model thread in the forum by that ID, for the girl in question, then we are done.

When there is no thread, then the strongest suitable ID could be used to start a model thread.
I don't believe it has to be a strong ID, or a name we like, just suitable.

A model thread will provide a place to collect the content, and make the girl more visible.
Hopefully, the increased visibility will lead to more content, and more ID info.
Then maybe we can confirm, or improve the ID.

If we have more than one solid F/L name IDs, then we have to decide which ID to use.
When we have choices, then the number of appearances, and the sources should be considered.

If the ID is used in 2 different magazines from different publishers, that ID would be stronger than the name being in multiple issues of one magazine (or one publisher's family of mags).

The same concept applies to video appearances.
If two different video producers are using the same ID, then that ID is stronger than one producer using the ID on multiple videos.

As for ranking the various sources,
I take video IDs over other sources.
Then magazine IDs.
Then photographer catalogs.
I consider any verifiable IDs from those sources to be solid IDs.

Then there are the website IDs.
And lastly, hearsay IDs.

I pick magazines over catalogs because catalogs were seen by so few people.

I believe Website IDs should be considered hearsay IDs.
Some are better than others, but still hearsay.
Sometimes, that's all we have.

Ranking between different type sources can be difficult. Apples to oranges.
Even ranking between the same type sources can be difficult.

I think it should come down to which ID would be seen the most.
That should make it the most recognizable, and it should also indicate which would generate the most searches.
However, figuring out how many videos, or mags got sold, can be a problem.
Sometimes it is obvious, others times it is not.

Some like ranking ID reliability from past history.
Trends (like the ID reliability numbers I've seen) are nice to look at, but they aren't reliable indicators for the next event.
Maybe that should be another discussion.

Trends analysis is usable at times, but I don't like to see suitable IDs ruled out because of someone's impression of past reliability.

I think the only reason to discount any solid ID is the presence of a stronger ID.

On the vintage girls, there are usually few choices.
I'm usually happy to find one solid F/L name ID.

Well, sorry for the lengthy post, but it is a big question, and needs detailed answers.
This is not a complete answer, but I tried to keep it short.
So, I've probably missed some things.

I'd be happy to see more opinions, concepts, and ideas.

Maybe we can set up some guidelines, but they will have to be flexible.

Hopefully we can figure out most of these IDs easily, and come to a consensus on some of the tougher ones.

If we can't find a good answer, we can let the request sit longer, and hope for more data.
Unfortunately, we have thousands of those waiting in the Mystery Corner.

April 8th, 2015, 04:22 PM	#3
Rubinski Classic Models Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Avatar is NGC1097 Posts: 4,075 Thanks: 58,418 Thanked 133,783 Times in 3,984 Posts	Sorry, this is a long one. From the viewpoint of a searcher of mostly 1980s girls. First thing I look for is something verifiable. If we can see it in videos or scans, I consider that a solid ID. Even if it is just a first name. Any verifiable/solid ID is at least an AKA. Might not want to list all the solid first name IDs, but they should be considered AKAs. I don't believe the reliability of sources, or someone's opinion of the ID, should be considered in what is a solid/verifiable ID. When we have more than one 'solid ID', and they match, I call that a 'confirmed ID'. There may be more than one ID to consider, so a confirmed ID does not mean we will use it as her primary trade name, but it is at least a confirmed AKA. Somewhere along the way, I consider if it is searchable. If it has a first and last name to it, they usually become more searchable. We spend a lot of effort on finding these First/Last name IDs. I believe if an ID is solid/verifiable, and is a F/L name ID, then it is a suitable ID. Almost the lowest level of suitable. Might even be all we get. If that F/L name ID is unique, and/or searchable, then it is even better. If there is a model thread in the forum by that ID, for the girl in question, then we are done. When there is no thread, then the strongest suitable ID could be used to start a model thread. I don't believe it has to be a strong ID, or a name we like, just suitable. A model thread will provide a place to collect the content, and make the girl more visible. Hopefully, the increased visibility will lead to more content, and more ID info. Then maybe we can confirm, or improve the ID. If we have more than one solid F/L name IDs, then we have to decide which ID to use. When we have choices, then the number of appearances, and the sources should be considered. If the ID is used in 2 different magazines from different publishers, that ID would be stronger than the name being in multiple issues of one magazine (or one publisher's family of mags). The same concept applies to video appearances. If two different video producers are using the same ID, then that ID is stronger than one producer using the ID on multiple videos. As for ranking the various sources, I take video IDs over other sources. Then magazine IDs. Then photographer catalogs. I consider any verifiable IDs from those sources to be solid IDs. Then there are the website IDs. And lastly, hearsay IDs. I pick magazines over catalogs because catalogs were seen by so few people. I believe Website IDs should be considered hearsay IDs. Some are better than others, but still hearsay. Sometimes, that's all we have. Ranking between different type sources can be difficult. Apples to oranges. Even ranking between the same type sources can be difficult. I think it should come down to which ID would be seen the most. That should make it the most recognizable, and it should also indicate which would generate the most searches. However, figuring out how many videos, or mags got sold, can be a problem. Sometimes it is obvious, others times it is not. Some like ranking ID reliability from past history. Trends (like the ID reliability numbers I've seen) are nice to look at, but they aren't reliable indicators for the next event. Maybe that should be another discussion. Trends analysis is usable at times, but I don't like to see suitable IDs ruled out because of someone's impression of past reliability. I think the only reason to discount any solid ID is the presence of a stronger ID. On the vintage girls, there are usually few choices. I'm usually happy to find one solid F/L name ID. Well, sorry for the lengthy post, but it is a big question, and needs detailed answers. This is not a complete answer, but I tried to keep it short. So, I've probably missed some things. I'd be happy to see more opinions, concepts, and ideas. Maybe we can set up some guidelines, but they will have to be flexible. Hopefully we can figure out most of these IDs easily, and come to a consensus on some of the tougher ones. If we can't find a good answer, we can let the request sit longer, and hope for more data. Unfortunately, we have thousands of those waiting in the Mystery Corner.