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Originally Posted by effCup
He seems to be suggesting that if a model appears under the same name in two different mags, he thinks that name/id is stronger when the second mag. appearance comes from a different pictorial/photog. session, but not (as much) if it is simply further pictures from the same photog. session/pictorial as the first mag. appearance.
I'm sorry if I'm sounding picky but I don't think I agree.
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Judging from my focal point, mid 60s to mid 80s mags and movies, there were numerous occasions when one photoshoot was sold to several mags with the same back story, sometimes with a specific model name attached to that photoshoot, e.g. Pamela Prati as Lara Crash, or Jacky Franc with the claim of movie stardom in Germany.
Even more commonly, certain different mags have established international links (there are also national ones where derivative mags take a second bite at the same material), e.g. Italian Fiesta with UK Girl Illustrated, or Italian King with UK Rex, or Swiss Snob with German Kent, or German Sir2000 with UK Flirt, etc.; in those cases the same pictorials appear in these different mags, often with identical layouts - it's really all from the same single source.
I am generally happy when a print source gives a model a full name, i.e. first name and surname. My general observation, for that period (60s to mid 80s) is that when a pictorial is only labelled with a first name, then it's highly likely a one-off construction, and pretty much no infiomation in the text carries much weight. Full names occurred repeatedly, although quite a few models had a list of several full names that were used regularly.
I emphasized the period, because the style in which mags labelled their models changed significantly over time. In the 1960s it was common that most models were given a full name, and if not - no name at all. When a model appeared with a first name only it was indication that she really preferred anonymity, and that the name meant nothing. From the early 1970s we find more and more models that were primarily known under a first name which was used repeatedly; this is probably related to the rise of the page 3 phenomenon in the UK.
Hardcore porn mags are yet again a different kettle of fish. In the earliest mags, models tend to be completely unnamed, and from the late 1970s to early 1980s we commonly find storyline pictorials (mini movies) in which the only names are the fictional ones from the stories. That these names (e.g. from CCC) have also been used to name model threads on VEF is something I am not comfortable with, but that train has apparently travelled. One exception from this type of mag in that period is Italian Supersex - which gave actors names too, even though some of those were only used for Supersex. In the mid 1980s some hardcore mags would actually name (some of) their models, making them in that respect more similar to softcore mags.
What I'm saying here is: context matters. If you find a model named "Roberta" in 1966 mag, it means nothing at all. In 1977 it could easily be her common page-3 name. If "Roberta" appears in the credits of a 1988 porn flick that is likely to be a one-off construction; in the same kind of movie in 1999 it would be more likely a repeatedly-used name.
Reliability is always a problem with this kind of material. A modern problem we have to deal with is that on WWW everybody copies everything, thus finding the same info in two different places on the WWW adds not a lot to the reliability of the info.