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The following post is the 'TinyTove.txt' that was available from HornyRob a couple years ago. It is split up over a couple of posts:


From: (Dirty-Dan)
Subject: Ping All: CJ's Original Post outing Rob and Tove
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:28:49 GMT

C.J's original posting from Summer 2000 when he put the
clues together. Posted in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.anna
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[Narrator]
As many of you know, CJ has been doing a lot of digging here and there
for information about Anna. He has been finding a lot of information
about other stars as well -- much of which he has decided is not
appropriate material for release here since it is off topic and these
stars have private lives of their own.

One of these stars is Tove who is on-topic here, but who is a
respected private citizen now and CJ's not going any further with he
research in that direction -- he knows too much now as it is.
However, he found some interesting information about how she got
started in the business and with who. This information has been
gathered from many places.

To bring this story to you in person, Heeeeeeeeere's CJ.

[CJ enters stage left to thunderous applause]
[Stands on his star and takes a bow, thanking the massive audience]

Thank-you. Thank-you. Thank-you.

I just flew in from Pittsburgh, and boy are my arms tired. [bada
boom!]

Welcome super-sleuths to this gripping episode of "Name that Star".

Let's get right to work. Man your lap-tops with their cellular
modems. Let's start by doing a quick but thorough browse through this
little known web site dead link removed

Done? Did you also note that there was information above Tove's on
Anna and there was a message in Tove's section from Pidde that had
information about Anna's movie shoots in Stockholm? This info
predates our discoveries here and would have helped a long time ago in
our search for the AR videos.

So, that gets me to thinking about who it is that was mentioned on
this site with whom Tove started in the movie business. Have you ever
had that feeling that there was something right under your nose but
you couldn't quite put your finger on it. Not there yet? OK, let's
keep nosing around to see what more we can find.

So, let's continue with the oldest known appearances of Tove. Tuffy
could help on this one. From a post of his, I have the following:

>Tove's films by date (last updated: 1999-12-10 by TUFFY)
>
>1. Little Sexy Eva 1979
>2. Lolita Climax 1979
>3. Film Orgy 1979
>4. Lolita Orgasm 1979
>5. Teenage Orgy 1979
>6. Teenage Tricks 1979
>7. Teach My Sister 1980
>8. Always Prepared 1980
>9. Young Flesh 1980
>10. Young Thai Tourist 1980
>11. Educating Tina 1980
>12. Birthday Surprise 1981
>13. Piss Service 1981
>14. Doctor Feelgood 1982
>
>#1 is on EuroTeens video.
>
>#6 - 14 are on different Color Climax videos.
>
>I haven't any info about #5.

Wow. I don't have clips of more than four of these and stills from a
couple more. Very fertile ground with which to start hunting for
clues, though. So, for argument's sake, let's start with "Always
Prepared" since it is the most widely scanned and posted. By chance,
it is also the first of HR's regular series scans (hr-001). You will
notice that HR didn't include the male star's face in most of the
scans...

[From the back row a voice cries out] "CJ, you dunce, I didn't come
here to look at guys!"

....but the first one that does is hr-001-E. Gosh he looks familiar
doesn't he? In hr-001-L he and Tove are exchanging looks that
indicate more than just a professional relationship -- they look like
good friends having a good time (actually, you can see this in a
couple images).

[Educated voice from the front row] "So, where are you going with
this, CJ?"

Good question.

[Various voices from the audience can be heard mumbling]
"I haven't seen this guy before."
"What is CJ talking about?"
"He doesn't look familiar to me."

That gets me to thinking. As many of you know, I spent a lot of time
in HR's group for three or four years prior to helping reclaim ABPEA
from the spammers. So, if he looks familiar, maybe he was one of the
male models I had seen there. So being logical sleuths, "Let's start
at the very beginning... A very good place to start..."

[Voice from the back row again] "Look at this guys, he's gone over the
edge! He's singing the ABC song from "The sound of Music"!




So, starting with the oldest of the scans from HR's group, we have the
stuff CRC'd in oldwork2.crc. By chance (or not?), one of the earliest
scan sets is of Tove (tove#rms) -- the very same scan set we already
looked at, but a lot older. He must really like Tove. And look, in
the lower right hand corner of the image on the projection screen,
he's included a picture of himself instead of the usual Horny Rob
logo. He looks kind of familiar too... That's right, he was featured
in the T&T scan set a while back and he looked much the same at the
time. If you have the series, go take a look. I'll wait patiently
for you to find it on your 100Gb drives and do a quick slide show....

Done? Good. Other than being real jealous of HR, did you happen to
notice that while he blurred out his face, he does look a lot like the
previously mentioned photo. Actually he appears in a lot of scan sets
Manilla, Bulgaria... speaking of which, there is a more recent photo
of him in Bulgaria with one of his young girl friends around here
somewhere.

Hey Hezekiah! Are you in the audience today? There he is over by the
door trying to lurk un-noticed. Is Bulgaria on-topic or off-toping in
HR's group? I don't know if he ever posted it there. I have to thank
a friend for the one image I have of that scan set.

[Hezekiah says he'll get back to us - he has to check]

There I found it. Do you have it too? [CJ asks in his best Mr.
Rodgers Neighborhood accent] I knew you could. You know, HR looks
real familiar in this photo set............ Could it be? Naaaaaaah.
Couldn't be. Could it?

OK. To prove we are not going nuts here (or at least that CJ isn't
going nuts) our assignment is to put all of the mentioned images
together in a one image collage and do a comparison. Now. Facial
features are one thing and can change a bit over time, especially as
one's weight fluctuates. As most of you super-sleuths know, body hair
patterns are almost as distinctive as fingerprints, so throw in a few
of those images as well. So, what we have looks like this:

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
+ +-----+ +
+ +rms97+ +
+ +Tove + +
+ +-----+ Various images from "Always Prepared" +
+ +--------+ +--------+ +-----------+ +
+ + + + + + + +-------+ +
+ + Face + + Face + + Body + + Two + +
+ + + + + + Hair + + Girls + +
+ + + + + + Pattern + +-------+ +
+ +--------+ +--------+ + + +
+ From T&T +------+ +-----------+ +---------------+ +
+ +----+ + + +-----------+ + + +
+ +Face+ + Face + + + + + +
+ + + + + + Body + + Two + +
+ +----+ + + + Hair + + Girls + +
+ +------+ + Pattern + + + +
+ +-------------------+ + + + + +
+ + + +-----------+ + + +
+ + Face + +-----------+ +---------------+ +
+ + from + + Body + +
+ + Bulgaria + + Hair + +
+ + + + Pattern + +
+ + + + from + +
+ + + + Manilla + +
+ +-------------------+ +-----------+ +
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

What's that I hear from the back row? Oh, you don't have some of
these images? Well, do you expect me to do all your work?... Oh.
[CJ mumbles to himself - You ask a stupid question, you get a stupid
answer] OK. I'll post the results for you to look at.

Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm exhausted. I think we'll
have to continue this discussion tomorrow. So, to coin a phrase,

To be continued..........

[Announcer as CJ exits stage left to a chorus of boos] Stay tuned for
the gripping conclusion to this unfolding drama. Is he or isn't he.
Discover the corroborating facts from the internet and other sources.
Can this mild mannered scanner have known the starlets he scans in a
more personal way than just through the magazines he scans? Find out
tomorrow -- same time, same place, same channel.

Later,

CJ

==============================================



Welcome super-sleuths to the conclusion of this episode of "Name that
Star".

[Narrator]
As many of you are aware, CJ broke some big news yesterday and has
promised [Narrator switches to a Paul Harvey accent] to give us the
rest of the story -- page one.

[Announcer]
And now, to bring the rest of this story to you in person,
Heeeeeeeeere's CJ.

[CJ enters stage left to thunderous applause and an air of breathless
anticipation -- stands on his star and takes a bow, thanking the even
more massive audience]

Thank-you. Thank-you. Thank-you.

What a crowd. What a crowd. [bada boom!]

Welcome super-sleuths to the conclusion of this gripping episode of
"Name that Star".

When last we met, I had made the preposterous seeming claim that HR
has starred with Tove and others in the CCC films and photo sets from
the late 70's and early 80's.

[Voice from the back again] "You said it brother! I won't believe
this without a lot more information."

Alright, if it's more information you want, it's more information
you'll get. Before we get into it, however, I have to say that I have
several sources for some of the material which I will present. I have
to protect my sources, though. So, if you don't see a quoted source,
you can thank some behind the scenes source that does not wish to be
recognized.

First, a bit of background information gathered from a lot of
different places. Let's get right to work. Man your lap-tops with
those cellular modems and do a quick but thorough browse through
dead link removed

[Everyone gets to work busily and Yuksel, as usual, is done far
earlier than anyone else and engages CJ in a sidebar conversation
about the forbiddensights web site from yesterday]

>Yuksel: "I dont know if it is first time you saw that site. But at
>least 1 years ago I saw it but there was not that email and Agnes
>info. Most of the rest was the same."
>
>CJ: "I have seen this site before and think that the Agnes
>information is new too. There is more info on Tove too than I
>remember. It seems as if he had some of the same sources I do.

[Ed B, having finished, adds his two cents worth]

>Ed: I knew about that site around the time you began to work in ABPEA.
>I had bookmarked it on my old Mac. Like most things in life the saying
>"out of sight, out of mind" applies. I did not recognize the url until
>I went to the site. If I had be more vigilant in my Anna duties we
>might have found Anna's third and fourth movies even sooner. I made
>the error of assuming you and other Anna fans knew about it already. I
>should always remember that when you assume, you make an ass out of
>"u" and "me."
>
>Anyway, I was stunned to see that Horny Rob himself appeared with
>Tove. I never would have guessed it in a million years. It's sad that
>HR didn't work with Anna too. I wonder what we could have learned from
>such a "coupling." You have certainly covered lots of ground in your
>research.
>
>Yuksel: You can see him in two other CCC clips with young and
>beautiful girls.
>
>CJ: "Thanks for the information and the kind words guys, but it looks
>like everyone else is finishing up."

[CJ turns back towards the audience]



Done? I could have related this to you here, but nothing better than
a story coming from the man himself. It saves me a bunch of time and
writer's cramp too.

So, on to the second point. I want to draw your attention to a
passage that you may have glossed over in your quick browse through
HR's site.

>Few People know it, and it has not till now been publicly disclosed, but Rob
>has worked with Euro adult production companies since the 70's. Many of the
>things in his collections he scanned he actually was part of the productions
>crews who made them, so he feels a close attachment!

It seems that HR has stolen the march on me or has come to the
realization that there was enough information and enough curious
people around, that he would eventually be found out. At least it
seems that way to me.

[An educate voice from the front row - peering into the glaring spots,
CJ can make out the visage of the ABPEA's multi-media Guru - mark310]
"So, CJ, what does all this mean."

[Before CJ get's a chance to reply, a raspy voice from the peanut
gallery belonging to none other than Anna says] "Post all
multi-media to ABME where it belongs!."

[A brief pause in the action while the sergeant-at-arms escorts him
from the hall for not raising his hand before speaking.]

I'm glad you asked, Mark. That takes me into my third point. Allow
me to fill in some of the blank areas for you. Mind you, some of this
historical information is un sourced, so take it for what it's worth.

When HR was 18 years old, he used to hang out with Tove's mother who
was a stripper in a night club in Hamburg Germany. He lost his
virginity to Tove's mother. She later introduced him to Tove. They
became friends and, along with some other friends in the neighborhood
(Christine ring a bell to anyone?), they started a production group.
As you will see in the older CCC photos and movies, HR is one of the
most common male models and had the fun of enjoying many of the
gorgeous female models we now worship.

HR was a part of about 50% of the older CCC stuff -- either on the
production team or as a performer. He does sort of mention this on
his site. Check out the Christine series that HR appears in. HR had
this on one of his oldest movie CDs. I may post them in ABPEA
sometime if ABPEH considers them to be off-topic.

All of this information has been in plain sight all along and will now
appear to be obvious to all. It appears that Rob has just been
laughing at all the folks who think he is just another scanner. He's
been in the adult industry longer than about any other person around.


Whether HR ever acknowledges this information to be true, is an
entirely different matter and beyond the purview of this discussion.
As many of you know, CCC and HR have never been friends [uproarious
laughter from the ABPEH crowd in the audience]. This might shed an
entirely different light on their relationship since CCC may not know
the above information either.

[An inquiring voice from an individual who is careful to raise his
hand first] "So why did HR go from being in production to being a
scanner?"

Good question, and that brings me to my final point.

After HR finished with the production group (about the time Tove went
on the around the world cruise mentioned in the site viewed
yesterday?), he, for some reason, decided that it would be fun to scan
images from the productions that he had a hand in.



Knowing this, take a look at his early scans. Most of them are all
from early CCC productions. Many of them were obviously friends. I
have heard all sorts of rumors as to why he did these scans and why he
and CCC never got along, but I'll let this expose end here on this
note.

HR is obviously a resourceful and experienced individual when it comes
to the world of europorn. His scanning is a hobby which he has stated
that he will continue so long as it remains fun. He has chosen to
scan his friends and acquaintances from the past for unknown reasons.
He now scans his current exploits. I, for one, thank him much for his
contributions to USENET and the Internet adult community. If there
were an adult award of some kind for contributions to electronic
media, I would nominate him in a heartbeat.

[Announcer as CJ takes his bows and shakes hands with the front row of
the audience before exiting stage left]

There you have it folks. HR, one of the most legendary names in
europorn scanning is also one of the most legendary europorn film
stars from the late 70's and early 80's. He's had his hand in porn
production and performing, behind scenes and in front, in Europe and
abroad. Now you know the rest of the story.

So folks, that's all until the next episode of "Name that Star".

[Fade to black]

Later,

CJ




With large thinks to Yogi for unearthing this, as otherwise it had
been lost to HDD fragmentation! Robs complete interview and
answer to the group after C.J. did such a good job of spotting him
as the one with Tove (though Rob dropped alot of hints) C.J. was
the first one to see it. Rob has alot of respect for all of you and
this group and it showed by his willingness to be so open here.


As posted back in Sept while Rob was on vacation here:
==================================================
Post #1


Here is a unexpected surprise for the group as Rob is here
on Holiday and we read this together! Rob is sitiing by me and
you are going to get a very exclusive chance to ask him a few
questions as in an interview.

Rob i ask.... was Tove stoned when she did these movies?

No mostly drunk, just enough to see the fun of it says Rob.



Now i ask... did she have a good time or what doing these.

Only on the first 2... then was starting to have questions
about wanting to do this as a profession... she was not
made to do anything, just wanting more out of life than
being a porn star following in her mothers foot steps
as she did not respect her mom much.


Rob.. what about her mom..... what was she like?

Robs says quickly.. dirty bitch... she screwed donkeys
and all kinds of ugly stuff as she got older and more of
less was always trying to tell Tove how wonderful it
was to be in the adult biz.. it was when Tove did get
involved and learned all the stuff her mom did she
was disappointed and did not want this to be her
future and voewed to go to school and make
something of herself.


Rob i ask, what was Tove like...

Adorable, sweet, kind, and somehow still like a child,
although she was allready 18 at the time... I simply
loved her, but more like a sister you like to protect.

Rob, is it true that you had something to do with her
leaving the business?

Well that's where I say "off-limit" I still have contact
with he and she don't like to be remembered, she
has a great life, and I can only hope I've contributed
to that, and about those 3 kids, correction, there are
only 2, 2 beautifull girls. She has no desire for her
family now to be aware of her adult life back them or
even worse the truths about her mom.. no regrets,
she just has moved on in life and is no longer at
this point.


Rob beside me as he always does get very warm
and full of fond memories when he thinks of her...
there you go gang, your first real interview with
Rob about Tove.... hope you enjoyed!


Okay... Rob has agreed to answer some questions as
long as they are not personal... and they do not
compromise her privacy... This also can include any of
his other girlfriends of the period, Christine, etc, etc as
you can see him with in the different series.