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Old February 14th, 2018, 08:45 PM   #825
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Originally Posted by SanteeFats View Post
Of course not palo she is not Putin and can not control the "independent" polling agency.
Honestly my friendly comrade if you did not go so far to defend Russia and denigrate all other nations and non-Russian opinions I would hold your positions in a much higher regard. I just don't recall any post you have made where you said yes Russia in some form or the other was culpable at least to some extent. Of course I have not read all you posts, sooooo
After 1990 I didn't see any poll with results which does not give advantage to ordering side in some way. That's how Western-type democracy works, I suppose.

SanteeFats, we were on both sides - "dictarorship communism" or "people's democracy" and "Western democracy" or "dictatorship of interest groups". Both systems in both terms deserve quotation marks, for sure. But for us, Western democracy or dictatorship of interest groups was far worse.

I believed that Russians, since they lived in harder conditions (I'm Yugoslav), would worship Western system in 99% of opinions, but actually that's the case just in clear minority.

I understand when Czechs, Pols, Albanians or Hungarians talk about this with hate - they were under some sort of extremely limited-state-freedom, occupied by madman, and by someone's else decision. But that's not problem with socialism or non-Western-democracy-system as idea, that is problem with poor or misused performance/execution of it. For me... Nostalgia aside, I vote with sense of freedom, level of culture, my wallet, car I can afford, flat, quality of education, working conditions, health care, security... clean victory for people's democracy or communism dictatorship, at your will.

Putin plays under Western-democracy rules, but with idea to achieve something closer to people's democracy results - that's how I think the majority see situation. And if he here and there plays rough, they see that as side effect of rules of game itself.
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