HIV outbreak in porn industry

[bigfatbob]

Amazing how many back door flicks Marc Wallace was in. That guy must have been a frustrated homosexual as much time as he spent on the hershey highway. lol

Actually, he was bisexual. He was kicked out of the industry a few years ago after faking his HIV tests (he concealed that he had tested positive) and a number of actresses got HIV immediately after making movies with him. At least one of the actresses subsequently died of AIDS.

[BigAl123]

Actually, he was bisexual. He was kicked out of the industry a few years ago after faking his HIV tests (he concealed that he had tested positive) and a number of actresses got HIV immediately after making movies with him. At least one of the actresses subsequently died of AIDS.


I did not know ANY of that, Bob. Many thanks for the information. Kicked out of the industry is the LEAST that should happen to someone that hides such information. Basically, you are assaulting someone with a deadly weapon if you have sex with them & are HIV positive. IMO, you should be charged with that crime.... then murder if your partner dies.

Marc Wallace did a number of anal scenes in the 80's with one of my favorite gals, Erica Boyer.
That AIDS testing , etc. that retired Porn Star & now a M.D., Miss Sharon Mitchell, runs for the industry people is great.
Again, thank you VERY much for the insight.

Al

[jls19401]

... that retired Porn Star & now a M.D., Miss Sharon Mitchell, runs for the industry people is great. ..

Sorry but Sharon Mitchell does not have a medical degree, she has a phd, and is not a licensed physician

[Vaduur]

Oh man I wonder who got it. Sad news looks like they need to do more testing. Best wishes to those that got infected. They said the actress did a lez scene then that girl did 6 guys and so on. 16 or more positive for HIV.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-porn-hiv12-2009jun12,0,3569962.story

By Kimi Yoshino and Rong-Gong Lin II
June 12, 2009
Despite porn industry assurances that an adult film actress' recent positive HIV test is the first since a 2004 outbreak shut down production for a month, Los Angeles County health officials said Thursday that at least 16 additional unpublicized cases of HIV have been confirmed in adult film performers.

[flake56]

it never said 16 or more in this outbreak. it said 22 cases since the last outbreak. and a list of other veneral deseases that could be gotten in any environment at all besides the porn industry. yet another attempt by the ignorant to try to put fear into everyone to get them to conform. i have no problem with anyone who wants to use condoms etc but every problem with forcing them on people by law, not just professionals in porn, but everyone is their goal. fear mongering is their goal as well, not prevention here. there are far more cases in private lives than the industry has ever had.

[prof_derzshowitz]

Oh man I wonder who got it. Sad news looks like they need to do more testing. Best wishes to those that got infected. They said the actress did a lez scene then that girl did 6 guys and so on. 16 or more positive for HIV.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-porn-hiv12-2009jun12,0,3569962.story

Thanks for the link to the article, but if I you read it closely you would see that only 1 person in this most recent "outbreak" situation has tested positive for HIV. The 16 additional cases of positive HIV results mentioned are not directly related to this most recent situation; they were previously unpublicized cases from 2004-2009 that have just now been uncovered.

As far as the new case of HIV infection is concerned, the article states that the infected female had sex with 2 partners after being infected: 1 was her boyfriend, and another was a porn performer. Between the two of them, those men then had sex with an additional 6 people. However, so far, neither the 2 men, nor the 6 other people, have yet tested positive for HIV.

So in this most recent case, the tally for infected performers is currently at 1, and will hopefully remain that way. However, the fact that there were 16 other HIV infections which happened over the past 5 years, that were not uncovered until recently, is rather disturbing. That is a large number, and it would be very unfortunate if some of those cases were actually interrelated, and that later infections occurred because the initial ones were not publicized.

And as far as county public health services are concerned, they're supposed to promote condom use, for the public, as well as for the porn industry. It basically comes down to being a public health concern, as condoms have been proven to be a major help in preventing the spread of AIDS. However, no one in this article is talking about making compulsory the usage of condoms among pornstars or the general public, as mandated by law. That would be too much of a violation of individual rights.

Personally, I happen to prefer porn without condoms. Still, I can recognize that if public health organizations weren't pushing for their use in porn, they wouldn't really be doing their job, insofar as the prevention of STDs is concerned.

[flake56]

YES they are and have been trying for years to mandate condom use by not only the porn industry but everyone. like many other issues you have to be educated about the past by actually reading it and learning who is doing what. much of this battle is not in the public news, it is in legislative intercourse of daily battles for or against a multitude of other issues as well. it is not like they just do it publicly. i do not dislike condoms or disagree with their effectiveness. it is just that one person may have gotten it thru drug use far more probably than any other method at this time. this little hubbub is merely public when the real issues are not. it would be interesting if the 16 cases were actually performers, cast or whom. and most interesting, what country are they from as films are made in several countries and performers travel extensively in many cases. too many questions about this story with too few facts to be at all sure what actually happened to whom in the 16 cases. btw, thank you for the mostly very well presented case, though i guess i was not as clear as needed given your response. will try for more clarity in my efforts from now on.

[prof_derzshowitz]

YES they are and have been trying for years to mandate condom use by not only the porn industry but everyone. like many other issues you have to be educated about the past by actually reading it and learning who is doing what. much of this battle is not in the public news, it is in legislative intercourse of daily battles for or against a multitude of other issues as well. it is not like they just do it publicly. i do not dislike condoms or disagree with their effectiveness. it is just that one person may have gotten it thru drug use far more probably than any other method at this time. this little hubbub is merely public when the real issues are not. it would be interesting if the 16 cases were actually performers, cast or whom. and most interesting, what country are they from as films are made in several countries and performers travel extensively in many cases. too many questions about this story with too few facts to be at all sure what actually happened to whom in the 16 cases. btw, thank you for the mostly very well presented case, though i guess i was not as clear as needed given your response. will try for more clarity in my efforts from now on.

Thanks for responding. I wasn't really aware that in some cases legislative maneuvers are actually being proposed to mandate condom usage in porn, and for the rest of the general population, as you state above. I was just going by what was said in the article, which, though it did point out that public health officials are critical of the industry for resisting widespread condom use, as well as the fact that health officials are hoping for compulsory condom use in porn, failed to mention that legislative actions are being proposed to put this into effect.

Still, even though such an idea would probably help reduce the spread of STDs in the porn world and in society at large, I still don't think there's any chance that condom use will ever become compulsory, for everyone, as mandated by law. Not only would it be such an incredible violation of personal rights, but it would essentially be impossible to enforce. And then there's also the massive chunk of the population that falls within the religious-right or fundamentalist spectrum, who in many cases, are opposed to any use of prophylactics on moral grounds. So as much as these health officials may try, I highly doubt that they'll ever be able to legally make compulsory the use of condoms.

Still, as you point out, this is the sort of situation for which you would need to do a lot more research before you can get a full understanding of what is actually happening behind the scenes.

You're also right that a lot more information needs to come out regarding the specifics of the 16 other cases, before any conclusions can be drawn. Anything else at this point is just conjecture. However, though this may be inaccurate, one major theme of the L.A. Times article was that A.I.M. and the Adult Industry in general have not been very forthcoming concerning the HIV situation (as evidenced by the fact that those 16 cases were hidden for so long), and have also been downright uncooperative with county health investigators.

Regardless of the other issues related to this situation (like the mandatory condom-use agenda), if this is true, not only does it reflect very poorly on the Industry itself, but it could end up being dangerous for other performers if such cases continue to be kept secret in the future. And finally, the porn world's reluctance to disclose this information willingly would also mean that it is unlikely any new details concerning these particular infections will be released any time soon.

But once again, I am not too knowledgeable about this particular topic, so if I have made any major errors in this post, feel free to correct me, or even just offer further input, as you seem to know a lot more than me regarding the history of this situation. :)

[Flamel]

how this could happen, the testings are so rigorous, you can watch in porn valley series all about porn industry.

[scoundrel]

First let me just say that this is very bad news. I don't give a damn about the economic damage to studios in the adult film industry, but any performers who have contracted the HIV virus: what's to become of them? Who will care for them or pay for their treatment? Are they going to be sent to landfill like trade waste?

I followed the link in Vaduur's original post and actually I remember reading in the London Times that the 2004 outbreak was exascerbated because the industry was not enforcing the HIV test regime rigorously enough: allegedly, (The London Times is my source) Darren James and fellow actors Lara Roxx and Mark Anthony did a scene without condoms. Roxx and Anthony both produced HIV test certificates but James did not. No-one intervened to say: ''No certificate, no shoot'', and Lara Roxx caught HIV from Darren James. Nice.

If this is true, then we are at the heart of the problem. It would cost money and lost investment if anyone stops a film for this reason, so the pressure is there to carry on regardless. The solution is to make the filmakers responsible for enforcement and make the consequences of negligence to be imprisonment and financial ruin, as is being seen in the case of Max Hardcore (Paul Little) who alledgedly did not keep records to prove that all female actors were above the legal age of consent. There is a discussion of Hardcore's legal trevails in the ''Should Max Hardcore be banned on this forum?'' thread if anyone is interested. But my point is that the legal weapons exist to make HIV enforcement mandatory and the consequences of not obeying unthinkable.

Were one or two producers to end up in chokey and watching as all their assets are taken to be sold, then the others would sit up and pay attention and suddenly take their duty of care as employers just a little bit more seriously. Until then, their track record tells us what we need to know about how much they care about the wellbeing of the performers.

[porty]

a lot of actors/ actresses who contract the AIDS virus are doing so when they do extra porn in Brazil, where HIV is very widespread and the testing there is very much a second thought. veteran actor marc wallice being one very known actor thought to have contracted HIV whilst filming anal scenes in brazilian porn films ..... others include:

The following porn stars tested positive for HIV:
Caroline, Brooke Ashley and Tricia Devereaux.
Veteran male performer Marc Wallice is widely thought to be the source of infection for everyone in 1998 (having engaged on camera
in unprotected anal sex with the infected girls), and possibly Nena Cherry (2/97), Jordan McKnight (5/97), and French girls Delfin
(6/97?) and Barbara Doll (5/95) in past years.

In 1999, Tony Montana and a Florida female performer tested HIV positive. On January 18, 2000, Niki Lae tested HIV positive. In
January, 2001, black female Tori Coca Flame tested HIV positive.

At a February fourth, 1998 talent meeting, Tricia Devereaux told her peers that she had tested HIV positive in early January. Then
Sharon Mitchell told the crowd of 200 that virtually everybody had been exposed the HIV virus, and that the then-current Eliza test
was no longer considered suitable. The industry standard was now the PCR-DNA test for HIV.

On March 27, Brooke Ashley tested HIV positive, after performing in a "50-man anal gangbang" in late January and early February,
where she worked with Wallice.

In early April, Caroline tested HIV positive followed by Wallice April 30. Wallice's test revealed that he had probably been HIV
positive for a year or so.

On May 29, Kimberly Jade tested HIV positive. She worked with Marc in late 1997. Her test revealed that she had been HIV positive
for about six months.

Responding to the latest HIV outbreak in the heterosexual porn industry, industry powers like VCA, Vivid, Wicked and distributors
like GVA in an April 13, 1998 meeting demanded use of condoms in their productions.

Other Porn stars who had or have HIV
John Holmes, R.J. Reynolds, Wade Nichols (shot himself in 1985 while dying of AIDS), Marc Stevens, Wade Nichols (according to
reports) and Chuck Vincent died of AIDS in the mid to late '80s. Lisa (Trego) DeLeeuw died of AIDS at age 35 on 11-11-93.

A porn performer named Dusty disappeared in November 1992 and is widely thought to have tested HIV positive. Carrie Morgan left
the industry in Spring 1993 for similar reason. France's Barbara Doll left in April 1995.

Here's a list of porn stars who died of AIDS --
Brad Braverman AIDS 1/10/96

Zeff Ryan AIDS 1/94 aka Jeff Ryan

Bill Harrison AIDS 10/18/91

Craig Markle AIDS 10/93

Paul Pellettieri AIDS 10/93

Lisa de Leeuw AIDS 11/11/93
complications

Chris Ladd AIDS 11/14/90

Scott Taylor AIDS 12/22/94

Marc Stevens AIDS 1989

Morelle AIDS 1994 pre-op transsexual DeKeigh

Joey Yale AIDS 1994

Steve AIDS 1995-97 aka Luke Bender;
Kennedy Exact date of death unknown

Buster AIDS 2/10/91

Scott O'Hara AIDS, lymphnoma 2/18/98

Frank AIDS 2/24/91 aka Roger Koch
Vickers

Jason Steele AIDS 2/25/95

Chris Burns AIDS 2/26/95

Lucky Luc AIDS 3/2/92

Chet Thomas AIDS 3/23/97

Tim Kramer AIDS 4/15/92

Christopher AIDS 4/24/91 aka Frederick
Rage Mongue

Roy Garret AIDS 4/3/92

Luc Colton AIDS 5/18/93

Brad Peters AIDS 5/31/94

Clint AIDS 6/17/93
Lockner

Luke AIDS 6/20/89

Lee Ryder AIDS 7/10/91

Darryl Weld AIDS 7/24/91

Johnny AIDS 7/25/89
Dawes

Tony Bravo AIDS 7/25/90 aka Michael Pietri

Jeff AIDS 7/31/94
Lawrence

Pierce AIDS 7/8/95
Daniels

Glenn Dime AIDS 8/12/92

Al Parker AIDS 8/17/92

Chris AIDS 9/11/91
Williams

Steve Kreig AIDS 9/13/90 aka Steve Craig,
George Dufour

Lon Flexx AIDS 9/15/95

Glenn Steers AIDS 9/17/94

Nick Elliot AIDS 9/2/90 renowned
cinematographer

Richard Locke AIDS 9/25/96

Jake Corbin AIDS 9/27/92

Ben Barker AIDS 9/28/95

Keith Ardent AIDS 9/9/92

Jim Ed AIDS Unknown
Thompson

Jim Moore AIDS Unknown

Joe Simmons AIDS complications Unknown

Jesse Koehler AIDS Unknown

Jaap Penrat AIDS Unknown

J.W. King AIDS Unknown

Eric Stryker AIDS Unknown

Dave Connors AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Casey AIDS Exact Date Unknown
Donovan

Arthur AIDS Exact Date Unknown
Bressan, Jr.

Eric Stone AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Rydar Hanson AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Jon King AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Val Martin AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Ken Diamond AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Thom Katt AIDS Unknown appeared in such
films as CULT
OF MANHOOD and
SHOW IT HARD

Steve Taylor AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Steve Loignon AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Lee Richards AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Scott Bond AIDS complications Exact Date Unknown

John Holmes Cardiac arrest, Exact Date Unknown
enephalitis and AIDS

Nick Rogers AIDS Exact Date Unknown

Wade Nichols Self-inflicted gunshot 1985 Allegedly to save himself from the ravages of AIDS

Rod Phillips Suicide by drug OD 6/7/93
as he lay dying of AIDS

just a few sad souls, others still survive at present, thanks to groundbreaking drugs which will 'allow you to die of old age rather than HIV'. still no cure though unfortunately.

[imtrying]

A sad and long list. One name that I noticed was missing was Jack Baker. Didn't he also die of AIDS related causes? He was an african-american actor who appeared in a number of adult titles in the 80's. He also did some "legit" acting. He's probably best known for his role as "Sticks" in a couple of episodes of "Happy Days".

[bullfinch]

it never said 16 or more in this outbreak. it said 22 cases since the last outbreak. and a list of other veneral deseases that could be gotten in any environment at all besides the porn industry. yet another attempt by the ignorant to try to put fear into everyone to get them to conform. i have no problem with anyone who wants to use condoms etc but every problem with forcing them on people by law, not just professionals in porn, but everyone is their goal. fear mongering is their goal as well, not prevention here. there are far more cases in private lives than the industry has ever had.

22 cases in 5 years is quite a lot. Your last sentence is a bit misleading . There are far more private lives than porn lives. Do you actually have statistics to back up your opinion?

[Foxbark]

The vast majority of names that you quote are of gay male performers who only performed in gay films.So, therefore your post is somewhat disingenuous.
Whilst all deaths are regrettable, it must be borne in mind that gay male porn performers were and are drawn from a highly promiscuous community,in which HIV is sadly in epidemic proportions and that probably has more 'unsafe sex' off-screen than on.

[flake56]

Exactly what makes you think gay males are more promiscous? is there a study i have not seen or read? no disrespect intended but where do you get those facts? I am very old and they are not born out considering my experience with the female half of our race. any human rarely finds the "right" partner the first time and many times not after twenty or thirty. just seems strange that so many believe what is wrong for gays is okay for hetero people.

[flake56]

see the CDC reports on aids in this country both per year and general causes and who for whether 22 is a lot. no, most cases are from intravenous injection and sharing of needles. true, originally the cause was male to male sex, but that has changed drastically since about 1996 or so. it also does not say in the story wherther the original performer was on any drug addiction or rehab program etc. therefore it is improper to assume that she got the infection thru sex. she may have shared a needle or some other problem. this story leaves out far more than what it says. without the rest of the facts we actually know very little.

[Foxbark]

Please don't get me wrong, I've got absolutely nothing against gays and I am absolutely non-judgemental with regards to anyone's private life.
But the fact that, in general, gay men have a lot of casual sex is well-known - just ask any honest gay man about it.
Again, I'm not being judgemental but women, generally, act as 'gatekeepers' they stop heterosexual men from getting as much sex as they want.










Exactly what makes you think gay males are more promiscous? is there a study i have not seen or read? no disrespect intended but where do you get those facts? I am very old and they are not born out considering my experience with the female half of our race. any human rarely finds the "right" partner the first time and many times not after twenty or thirty. just seems strange that so many believe what is wrong for gays is okay for hetero people.

[flake56]

i have never actually heard that proposition in quite the way you stated it. dam* that was worth a laugh. have a good day. we just are going to mutually agree in good humor to disagree. thanks for making my day.:D

[John C. Holmes]

I remember following the Marc Wallace outbreak in 1998 and all the BS Luke Ford got for breaking the story. After reading some of the crap going on now I must float this thought;

At what point does Sharon Mitchell have to assume responcibility for this? There have been reports for years that she not only covered up Marc Wallace's HIV+ tests but bullied ANYONE who tried to prove he WAS indeed positive out of the industry or use her considerable connections to bury them with lies about them. (See her handling of the Brooke Ashley case for a reference there.) It looks like she's at it again and frankly the favoritism is sickening and I'm almost ready for government intervention and regulations. (Better that than some self serving bitch who's making money off both ends and ruining people's lives in the process.)

I don't feel that the gay porn industry should be taken to task for the current outbreak. Having said that, it has been reported in many cases that the gay wing of the porn world, (at least in LA anyway I don't know about the UK,) simply doesn't test all that hard. If this is indeed the case, that should have changed a long time ago for the sake of not only their end of the industry but their community as well.

I've read that the industry has tried to ban gay/bi performers from crossing over into straight porn. I disagree because if THAT is causing the outbreak then where the fuck was AIM and their so-called 'serious' testing process? No, if gay performers were HIV+ and crossing over, they would have had to have been tested beforehand and if they were indeed positive, they wouldn't have made it through the front door. (If AIM's credibility is to be believed.)

Sharon has flip flopped over what HIV testing clinics are kosure and which ones aren't so many times that if I was in the industry I would be getting my tests in a hospital because I certainly don't trust her anymore.

[scoundrel]

In Britain there has traditionally always been a strong emphasis on contact-tracing whenever a case of any sexually transmitted disease is diagnosed. I have noted that Ms Mitchell is with-holding full co-operation in the present HIV outbreak on the grounds of patient confidentiality, and I would hazard a guess that if she knew Marc Wallice's HIV status and did not blow the whistle on him, then this would be her official (possibly her actual) reason for remaining silent. Meanwhile, what is she herself doing to trace and test the contacts of the unfortunate woman who has tested positive? If the answer is ''nothing, its not her problem'', then I suggest that whatever professional body doctors answer to in America (in Britain its called The General Medical Council) needs to be reviewing her conduct and deciding whether or not Ms Mitchell should be struck off as a doctor.

It's not that straightforward for professionals like doctors (and lawyers) because they have privileged conversations with their patients/clients and are not at liberty to disclose everything they hear in these conversations. There are sound and valid reasons for having this rule. But if a doctor knows that a patient is endangering the lives of others, either deliberately or recklessly and selfishly, I would argue that their code of ethics cuts the other way. Once Ms Mitchell knows that her patient isn't playing the game (eg Wallice) then her duty of care is to those he is endangering, not to him.

Perhaps its time that the doctors as a profession made a public statement of what they think doctors should be doing in these circumstances. This sort of situation is not rare. It just doesn't usually make the news because usually it affects people outside the porn industry whom no-one ever hears about.

[John C. Holmes]

In Britain there has traditionally always been a strong emphasis on contact-tracing whenever a case of any sexually transmitted disease is diagnosed. I have noted that Ms Mitchell is with-holding full co-operation in the present HIV outbreak on the grounds of patient confidentiality, and I would hazard a guess that if she knew Marc Wallice's HIV status and did not blow the whistle on him, then this would be her official (possibly her actual) reason for remaining silent. Meanwhile, what is she herself doing to trace and test the contacts of the unfortunate woman who has tested positive? If the answer is ''nothing, its not her problem'', then I suggest that whatever professional body doctors answer to in America (in Britain its called The General Medical Council) needs to be reviewing her conduct and deciding whether or not Ms Mitchell should be struck off as a doctor.

It's not that straightforward for professionals like doctors (and lawyers) because they have privileged conversations with their patients/clients and are not at liberty to disclose everything they hear in these conversations. There are sound and valid reasons for having this rule. But if a doctor knows that a patient is endangering the lives of others, either deliberately or recklessly and selfishly, I would argue that their code of ethics cuts the other way. Once Ms Mitchell knows that her patient isn't playing the game (eg Wallice) then her duty of care is to those he is endangering, not to him.

Perhaps its time that the doctors as a profession made a public statement of what they think doctors should be doing in these circumstances. This sort of situation is not rare. It just doesn't usually make the news because usually it affects people outside the porn industry whom no-one ever hears about.

Absolutely, even PRIESTS have a set of rules on confessions and where the line is in terms of what to tell law enforcement officials and/or a court of law. (Murder confessions being one of the more clearly drawn lines.) Sharon is simply hiding behind rules that don't even apply to protect well connected friends in the industry so she can keep on making money off the medical community AND the porn industry.

From what I recall Sharon Mitchell is not and never was an MD. She is a registered nurse. (With considerably more power than any nurse I have ever heard of but a nurse nonetheless.) Unless this has changed that is more than enough to take the power to regulate away from the industry and into the hands of lawmakers.

[wild-swan]

Barbara Doll tested positive twice through the "Elisa" method, which only detects the presence of antibodies. She then underwent two DNA tests, which both came back negative.

Read more about it and other "Pornstar with HIV/AIDS" related information in:

Skinflicks: The Inside Story of the X-Rated Video Industri (http://books.google.com/books?id=3VCVm7sc5JsC&printsec=frontcover&hl=sv&source=gbs_navlinks_s),

Chapter 20, starting at page 403, "AIDS and other four-letter words"

[John C. Holmes]

MORE proof that AIM has caused more harm than good in the porn industry and only exists so a select few can have power and get paid.

[empyrium]

anyone can take an aids test in brazil with ease , just go to any clinic and take one for free, plus brazil is one of the few countries where patients do not have to pay for the medication , it's all for free , actually a lot of americans go to the Emilio Ribas hospital in Sao Paulo just to get medication for free , you can say the porn industry in brazil is pretty messy so one could get aids but the country itself does NOT have an AIDS problem , much the contrary and if there is one country where AIDS is a problem is the US of america.

[scoundrel]

The early stages of the HIV pandemic were characterised by countries claiming that it was all someone elses problem and their people were squeaky clean. It was a red herring then and its a red herring now. Here's the news, guys: any country in the world with a human population has got an HIV problem. Fact. Slagging each others' countries off is just a waste of time.

There will always be sources of HIV infection in the community. But the adult film industry claims to have a system to detect new infections early and stop them spreading. The last known system failure was Darren James, and Marc Wallice before him. Is this new outbreak due to a new system failure is a more worthwhile question than whether the source was in the USA or in Brazil, like the health of porn actors will be safe provided they don't fly to Brazil:rolleyes:

[control840]

My question is this: how long was Marc Wallice performing while knowing FULL WELL he was HIV positive?

[John C. Holmes]

My question is this: how long was Marc Wallice performing while knowing FULL WELL he was HIV positive?

I've heard conflicting stories on that. The most prevelant story is that he was positive from a movie he made in Brazil on in. Other reports have claimed that he has had it as far back as 1993. (I recall one porn star claiming at a book signing that she refused to work with him because of rumours that were floating around for much of the 90's.) If there is such thing as hell I'm willing to guarantee that Marc has a front row seat.

[donnalangtonukmode]

shocking:eek:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Wallice#HIV

[Alvin Lucifer]

My question is this: how long was Marc Wallice performing while knowing FULL WELL he was HIV positive?

Johnny Wadd did the same thing.
:mad:

What always amazes me is how few porn stars actually do die of AIDS, especially when you consider acts such as ass-to-mouth are now industry standards.

[scoundrel]

Johnny Wadd did the same thing.
:mad:


For anyone who might not know, Johnny Wadd is a fictional character played in a series of adult movies by John Holmes. It is of course John Holmes who continued to work after being diagnosed HIV positive in February 1986. No doubt his drug habit over-rode any twinges of conscience he may or may not have felt about what he was doing to his unlucky female co-stars. He went to Europe in the summer of 1986 and continued working there. He died in March 1988 of AIDS. What a nice chap.

Here is a link for anyone who would like to learn a little bit more about this absolute prince among men.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holmes_%28pornographic_actor%29

[crimpo]

In an interview posted elsewhere it was basically stated that he did the European work when he knew he was HIV+ because he decided everyone in porn was going to get it anyway. I think that probably makes it even worse...

[damp-patch]

It's not that straightforward for professionals like doctors (and lawyers) because they have privileged conversations with their patients/clients and are not at liberty to disclose everything they hear in these conversations. There are sound and valid reasons for having this rule. But if a doctor knows that a patient is endangering the lives of others, either deliberately or recklessly and selfishly, I would argue that their code of ethics cuts the other way.

Although patient/doctor confidentiality is important, and in most cases protected in law, there are already a number of instances where a doctor or other medical professional has by law to report something, such as a gun-shot wound or knowledge of involvement in terrorist activity.

[se7en]

Although patient/doctor confidentiality is important, and in most cases protected in law, there are already a number of instances where a doctor or other medical professional has by law to report something, such as a gun-shot wound or knowledge of involvement in terrorist activity.

you're right. However the law referring to informing the public of a transmissible disease may be more apt. There have been health professionals, especially dentists and doctors, who have been stopped practicing medicine and dentistry because of the risk of infecting their patents because of their HIV or hepatitis. The protection of the public trumps their rights.

Medical confidentiality is not in fact an absolute right. There is a balancing of competing public interests.

Confidentiality is important to us all. Let us be frank here we all are grateful that all our embarrassing little problems are kept secret. However such confidentiality is not an absolute if there is a public interest then we lose the right to confidentiality.

This is not limited to telling people about someone having a disease. People can be detained by force if they pose a danger to the general public. The most famous case is that of Typhoid Mary. Typhoid Mary was herself healthy but carried a deadly disease. She was quarantined until she died. The recent SARS or bird-flu outbreaks had people being placed under quarantine for the public good.

the question is this, is a porn star's HIV status so important that confidentiality would be waived. I would say it does because they engage in unprotected sex acts in a workplace that may infect others with a disease which is fatal and extremely horrible. Other performers need to be protected

if we were talking of any other industry the infected person would get an immediate ban, and most likely forced by law to wear protection. If a baker, for example, caught a deadly infectious disease from handling flower without protection than they would be banned from baking and every other baker forced to wear protective clothing.

no questions and no free will.

they would also get compensation.

but with porn it does not seem to matter. It seems that porn stars are not deemed important. Not only does the government not care about their health, the industry itself does not want more protection. Straight porn companies believe that the use of condoms will stop people buying their products. Gay porn mostly use condoms but the situation is different as the gay community encourage the use of condoms as part of their safe sex message. Perhaps the straight community should follow.

AIM is a laudable organisation in principle but it does seem to have become the tool of the industry in some ways. AIM was used by the industry to stop any governmental crackdown on them due to the HIV danger. I would prefer a more independent organisation. This is the only way to protect the performers.

Lara Roxx was 21 when she got into porn and became infected. She said , "It totally made me realize how I trusted this system that wasn't to be trusted at all, because it obviously doesn't work," and "I thought porn people were the cleanest people in the world."

she was wrong about the last aspect

This is a tragedy. No one should have their life destroyed like that. Any hope of children or a long life have been taken.

porn, at least the larger companies, have tried to promote their business image, their softer more acceptable side. Roxx was dumped by them like a hot potato. No compensation, no help, no counseling...nothing.

and this is a industry they say makes tens of billions per year? To my mind that is a terrible indictment or the porn industry. The businessmen may make billions but the people who make them their money get nothing when they catch a fatal disease making them their money. It makes the worst of the nineteenth century industrialists seem kindly by comparison. It shows that the performers are just so much meat. Not nice

you can argue about the use of condoms (I'm not a fan of them in porn, but I may be wrong about that in light of the risks to the performers). You can argue about the more risky sexual acts filmed. To my mind I don't think you can argue that the those poor souls infected should be compensated by the studios insurance.

[mynxfan]

Lara Roxx was 21 when she got into porn and became infected. She said , It totally made me realize how I trusted this system that wasn't to be trusted at all, because it obviously doesn't work,and I thought porn people were the cleanest people in the world.

she was wrong about the last aspect

This is a tragedy. No one should have their life destroyed like that. Any hope of children or a long life have been taken.

porn, at least the larger companies, have tried to promote their business image, their softer more acceptable side. Roxx was dumped by them like a hot potato. No compensation, no help, no counseling...nothing.



It is a shocking story. The big porn companies should have insurances to cover the costs for a HIV-life in cases like Lara Roxx.

Lara Roxx:
http://img170.imagevenue.com/loc217/th_77624_lararoxx_122_217lo.jpg (http://img170.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=77624_lararoxx_122_217lo.jpg)

Lara Roxx interviewed about the HIV-scandal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpHTNsP7q7A

Lara Rox talking about her HIV-infection and begging for money, so she can buy medication, to herself and others infected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsuXz_smc0g

[se7en]

It is a shocking story. The big porn companies should have insurances to cover the costs for a HIV-life in cases like Lara Roxx.

Lara Roxx:
http://img170.imagevenue.com/loc217/th_77624_lararoxx_122_217lo.jpg (http://img170.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=77624_lararoxx_122_217lo.jpg)

Lara Roxx interviewed about the HIV-scandal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpHTNsP7q7A

Lara Rox talking about her HIV-infection and begging for money, so she can buy medication, to herself and others infected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsuXz_smc0g

what I find sad is her belief that there is a cure for HIV. I hope there will be soon, but as of now there is not. There a lot of quacks out there who will exploit the desperate. The Lara Roxx Foundation seems to have closed, at least the website is gone. I hope she's continued to work to educate others on HIV.

the Internet can be a nasty place but even so I am shocked by one of the comments of Lara's official Youtube channel. Now some write that they don't care that she's contracted HIV, which is bad, but one wrote,

bbbbboi68
You know, it was a turn-on to watch the pornographic film in which you acquired the deadly, incurable HIV virus from Darren James. In fact, I downloaded that particular porn film solely for that purpose: To get turned-on watching you acquire HIV. Really, the "kink" that seriously aroused me was in you acquiring HIV. I don't know what turned me on about you acquiring HIV from Darren James, but it seriously worked!

I simply do not understand such mentality. It's like going up to a cancer suffering and going out of your way to insult them.

the point is that the film she contacted HIV making is still being sold. Some porn companies are not nice I fear.

[snowy25]

I think a lot of sufferers also believe there is a cure coming soon. I think its the only way that a lot of them can deal with their illness, especially those that were not ultimately responsible for catching the virus. Will there be a cure, who knows? The virus mutates and is resistant to drugs that used to work, but medical science moves so quickly its possible they will discover a cure, or at least a way to slow the effects down so that soemone can live a normal life expectancy. However after saying that they still cant sure the common cold, which is probably the most common illnessa round the world so as i said who knows?
As for those comments, it seems like the usual oxygen thief comments you see on various forums written by people that just want to shock. They probably have some inferiority complex and like to shock so that people comment saying how nasty they are and how shocking they are and this makes them feel big.

[scoundrel]

the Internet can be a nasty place but even so I am shocked by one of the comments of Lara's official Youtube channel. Now some write that they don't care that she's contracted HIV, which is bad, but one wrote,

bbbbboi68
You know, it was a turn-on to watch the pornographic film in which you acquired the deadly, incurable HIV virus from Darren James. In fact, I downloaded that particular porn film solely for that purpose: To get turned-on watching you acquire HIV. Really, the "kink" that seriously aroused me was in you acquiring HIV. I don't know what turned me on about you acquiring HIV from Darren James, but it seriously worked!

I simply do not understand such mentality. It's like going up to a cancer suffering and going out of your way to insult them.

Surely there must be a special fire, hot enough to melt sand into glass, set aside in Hell and reserved for the person who said directly to Lara Roxx that he is sexually excited by watching the moment when her life was ruined forever. That is an act of cruelty so extreme that no punishment outside Hell is remotely adequate. I count myself a fairly soft-hearted man, but this fellow is lucky he will never need to appeal to me for mercy.

[se7en]

Surely there must be a special fire, hot enough to melt sand into glass, set aside in Hell and reserved for the person who said directly to Lara Roxx that he is sexually excited by watching the moment when her life was ruined forever. That is an act of cruelty so extreme that no punishment outside Hell is remotely adequate. I count myself a fairly soft-hearted man, but this fellow is lucky he will never need to appeal to me for mercy.

you are totally, utterly right. Because the internet is anonymous people do say things that they'd never say in person. But go out of your way to contact Lara to say such a thing is so cruel it is inhuman. It may be the reason that Lara has not posted anymore videos on YouTube. But the abuse is not just YouTube. On the Imdb forum there are posts saying

You reap what you sow. This isn't some "poor girl." She got paid to have sex with strangers and guess what? She caught a disease. Big surprise.

another post was deleted so that must have been vile. And this is a mainstream, well thought of media site.

another site has people claiming that she infected the other performers, which is utter BS. Not only was one of the male actors HIV positive at the time, it is impossible for her to have infected women based upon the sex acts involved. Or that she is stupid an didn't understand she had flu not HIV, that she was infected before her porn work, etc. The worst is that she shouldn't be trying to stop others catching HIV because she is stupid, or because she had glamorous (non-nude) photos on her site....

I would have thought that a young woman with HIV was the perfect person to educate the young to protect themselves against HIV.

the AVN site reviewing a documentary about HIV in the porn industry described her interview as her trying to extend her fifteen minutes of fame. She's the victim here for god's sake.

it is shocking to me the amount of hate this one girl elicits in some people. It does not matter that she was a porn star, it does not matter what her morals were. She was a young person who caught a truly horrific disease, like the others in this thread. They deserve our sympathy.

HIV and AIDS is truly horrific disease. Anyone who catches it deserves our sympathy and support. However if that person knowingly engages in unprotected sex, like some of the porn stars in this thread, then that sympathy ends. To do so in the full knowledge that they could spread the disease is a crime. They are basically murdering someone in slow motion.

my sympathies are for the victims. Victims like Lara and most of the others in this thread.

[crimpo]

I'm going to try to be fair here - when the James outbreak first occurred people didn't know where the 'cause' was (unlike the previous outbreak). Until the Brazil news came out there was an argument that Lara was the cause. It rapidly became clear that she was a victim rather than the cause. However, some people still prefer to blame the woman involved - which says more about them than anything else.

The outlook with HIV is a lot better than it was thirty or even twenty years ago. A cure is a way away but I certainly don't blame anyone with the disease looking forward to the day. Meanwhile, you can only wish them the best of luck in controlling the disease.

[Alvin Lucifer]

Lara Roxx claimed at one point she did not want to do the shoot, which involved double anal penetration. The director said that was fine, but she wouldn't get paid and would have to foot the bill back to Canada from Brazil. This implies she was financially coerced. I think this kind of sleaze goes on frequently in the porn biz, that way the directors can say nobody was forced to do anything.

BTW, John Holmes was also telling the press he had some or other type of cancer NOT AIDS. I do remember reading those quotes, but in the publicity following Holmes' death, so I don't know whether it was before or after Holmes made that super-sensitive remark about "Everybody's going to get it anyway." Maybe Holmes didn't know either. Up his nose it goes!

[crimpo]

The shoot was in the USA wasn't it? Darren James had just returned from shooting in Brazil.

[Alvin Lucifer]

The shoot was in the USA wasn't it? Darren James had just returned from shooting in Brazil.
Oh...you're right there. To tell you the truth, I had never heard of Darren James or Lara Roxx until the story broke. Maybe I was confused on the facts.

Anyway, DP anal without condoms indicates irresponsible decision-making on both sides of the camera.

I was never a fan of DP porn. I'm just not that into close-ups of man ass.

[scoundrel]

The shoot was in the USA wasn't it? Darren James had just returned from shooting in Brazil.Actually, Darren James had been back in the USA for quite a while and this was part of the scandal. I think (I'm remembering the Times article now and I read it in 2004) that Darren James tested positive only after Lara Roxx already announced she had and this gave rise to the wrong reports that she gave it to him, when actually he gave it to her. The story in the London Times colour supplement was that Roxx and Anthony produced up to date HIV test certificates prior to that day's filming and Darren James didn't: nobody working for the film company made an issue of it and Lara Roxx felt unable to. Darren James had worked on a number of other films after returning from Brazil and at least 2 of his other female co-stars announced that they too had tested positive after working with him, women he worked with before he worked with Lara Roxx.

Here is the thing. It was 90 days after the Brazil shoot that James tested positive. It is just barely possible, not totally medically impossible for it to take this long before the test will indicate. Did James take his tests as he should have, every 30 days, and they failed to indicate? If so, he is not to blame. But if he did, where was his test certificate on the day of the Lara Roxx shoot? If he was blameless, why did he reportedly go into hiding after the story broke? More than 5 years on, there's a lot unexplained about this sad story.

The only good thing was that the entire adult film industry all over California was shut down for over 2 months until all the contacts of Darren James, and all of their contacts, could be tested 3 times. The financial blow to the production companies was extremely painful. This puts any future Lara Roxx in a stronger bargaining position to say "Hey Darren, where the hell is your test certificate?"

[John C. Holmes]

The problem is that girls in the industry these days are paid so poorly and many are so desperate that they will put themselves at risk for the fast money. Considering how AIM tends to leave HIV+ girls out to dry constantly it is almost a small wonder that full blown AIDS epidemics don't happen in the industry sometimes.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's time for Washington to bring stricter testing laws into place to keep AIM and similar agencies under control and to keep porn companies who either don't honor HIV testing policies or check on the tests they do get honest.

[scoundrel]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fear-infects-la-porn-industry-after-star-tests-positive-for-hiv-2106116.html

Same old same old.:mad:

[John C. Holmes]

Based on the things being said in the valley right now I'm starting to believe that a full on ban on gay performers crossing over would cure the problem. By all accounts the last 2-3 major outbreaks and this current case are the result of crossover performers contracting the virus.

I would be open to changing this stance when the entire gay side of the industry finally embraces mandatory monthly HIV testing. This is something that isn't done at all in the gay porn industry and this needs to change now.

[scoundrel]

Based on the things being said in the valley right now I'm starting to believe that a full on ban on gay performers crossing over would cure the problem. By all accounts the last 2-3 major outbreaks and this current case are the result of crossover performers contracting the virus.

I would be open to changing this stance when the entire gay side of the industry finally embraces mandatory monthly HIV testing. This is something that isn't done at all in the gay porn industry and this needs to change now.The standards should be mandatory across all porn sectors, be they heterosexual (although that embraces some wierd stuff, weird if you're not into it); homosexual; AC/DC; lesbian; Victorian ankeshots; fructarian; whatever.:rolleyes: I agree John that any seperate and distinct porn sector which is not toeing the line is an open door for the HIV virus to wlak through whenever performers from that sector move into other areas of the industry and basically you are right.

The sad truth is that this virus is always lurking in the undergrowth and waiting for an opportunity. Every time one of the performers gets high on crystal meth and thinks he/she is invincible and wants to have sex with the entire world, that's an opportunity. Every time one performer picks up or is picked up by an ordinary civilian in a bar or a casino or on the beach, a new door opens. All the testing is worthwhile, but I think experience is showing that the best precaution is condoms. Even they aren't foolproof, but they would make things exponentially safer for the performers and that has to be the priority; unless you're a producer or a director, seemingly.

[Foxbark]

One of the more grotesque aspects of this recurrent crisis is that at least one of the sleazier San Fernando studios has put out what they delicately term 'death-fuck' videos.Apparently these DVDs are compilation pieces of scenes cobbled together by the producers in which they claim captures 'the actual moment of infection' of publicized cases of HIV infection that have said to have occurred on tape from time to time.
Noting the general sick and depraved naure of today's LA porn bizz, I'm not surprised.
More horrifyingly, these DVDs are said to be consistent best sellers, going for ridiculous E-Bay prices.
A said refection on today's world.:(

[scoundrel]

One of the more grotesque aspects of this recurrent crisis is that at least one of the sleazier San Fernando studios has put out what they delicately term 'death-fuck' videos.Apparently these DVDs are compilation pieces of scenes cobbled together by the producers in which they claim captures 'the actual moment of infection' of publicized cases of HIV infection that have said to have occurred on tape from time to time.

I am quite sure that somewhere, someway, somehow, the people who put this stuff out and the people who buy it will be punished. Nature would never allow such an imbalance to go uncorrected. I only hope the punishment is severe enough to fit this horrible, sick and unspeakably cruel act.

[John C. Holmes]

Bill Margold said it best:

Leave us alone and we'll destroy ourselves.

Nuff said.

[toonman]

While this is not good news, obviously, it's good that it's still considered a rare enough event that it makes the mainstream news (think about it: you'd never want to see this treated as "same old, same old"). It still represents something of a failure in the system; yes, it succeeded in identifying the guy, but you can have a lot of sex in 30 days. Maybe they need to establish more frequent testing (I think the technology allows for detection fairly quickly). A friend of mine suggested some sort of mandated quarantine period between productions but that's simply not realistic (not to mention uncontrollable).

[se7en]

it used to be the case, and as far as I know still is, that all gay porn use condoms. There was some argument with the straight porn by the gay industry as they do not use condoms. The straight industry saying that the gay community accept condom use but the straight viewing public wont watch porn which use condoms. I don't know if this is the case or not but it's the excuse they use not to take protection.

it doesn't surprise me that there are companies who promote dvds of the moment of infection, dvd's of the infection of Lara Roxx have been sold ever since she was infected. Some sick people like the fact that they see the instant of infection. I'm a laid back type of person but I find this horrific

for all the tv programmes and the awards ceremonies, etc., part of the adult industry is not nice. They'll sell anything for a buck. If they can make money be selling dvds of people getting a terminal infection some one will sell it

the danger for the industry is if these terrible outbreaks keep happening and the industry funded AIDS testing system keeps failing then the law will step in and do it for them. Such direct involvement in the running of the porn industry wouldn't do the porn industry any favours. With the upcoming US elections the right may welcome a chance to attack the porn industry again.

banning male stars who do gay porn may not work to stop infection. Gay porn use condoms anyway. People get HIV/AIDS from non-porn sex, or drug use. How can you protect against that?

the question is how can adult actors be protected? free choice is fine but it is dangerous, I can think of no other industry that treats the safety of the workers so laxly.

the porn industry keep telling us how massive they are, with multi-billion $ turnover a year. I personally think the size is exaggerated, but there you go. The danger for the porn is that government is going to start treating like a massive industry. That means regulations and prosecutions. The porn industry seriously don't want that.

like all these outbreaks its tragic, if past outbreaks are anything to go by the infected will be abandoned and forgotten and left sick and broke.

the adult industry can be brutal

[John C. Holmes]

The problem in the gay end of the porn industry in the US is that they do not enforce HIV/AIDS testing at all. Nor do they ban known HIV positive performers. Until that changes, they can't even cry discrimination because if you aren't getting tested, you've got something to hide/pass on to an unsuspecting performer.

[Ace1965]

The problem in the gay end of the porn industry in the US is that they do not enforce HIV/AIDS testing at all. Nor do they ban known HIV positive performers. Until that changes, they can't even cry discrimination because if you aren't getting tested, you've got something to hide/pass on to an unsuspecting performer.

I did not know that. I figured all adult performers regardless of the genre had the same standards.

Certainly making all performers have the same testing would go a long way towards reducing this problem.

[buttsie]

Based on the things being said in the valley right now I'm starting to believe that a full on ban on gay performers crossing over would cure the problem. By all accounts the last 2-3 major outbreaks and this current case are the result of crossover performers contracting the virus.

I would be open to changing this stance when the entire gay side of the industry finally embraces mandatory monthly HIV testing. This is something that isn't done at all in the gay porn industry and this needs to change now.

Makes a lot of sense given the weak link in the chain is nearly always where performers are working with those that dont have a certificate...given many who become HIV positive dont know they have it,working without a condom would seem to be like playing russian roulette


This post by Angel Long(UK Porn Industry) back in 2003 when performers were entertaining uncertificated members of the public at bukkake parties(probably still do)puts HIV into perspective.

Author: Angel Long
Date: 06-15-03 21:56

Hi ya,

I hope that I'm not going to cause an uproar, but I feel I need to voice my opinion about some thing and I would love to have any feed back from professional persons in the biz please.

Here goes:

whether to stay in the business I love porn or to come out of it completly due to the fact of many so called professional pornstars doing bukkake shoots with no HIV test! As you know these girls work with myself and the various guys in the biz that I work with on a professional basis. I've cum to realize that if a bukkake girl gets her HIV test say on the 1st of the month, then does a bukkake shoot two weeks later and an untested guy passes his HIV to her, she then gets tested on the 1st, 3 months from her last test, of course the HIV will not show up on the test for another 2 weeks so by the time she gets her 3 rd test. She will have already worked for 2 1/2 months with HIV. Every girl has to make adesicion as to whether they work with guys with out a test, but then it's not her decision to work with a professional knowing that she has been ignarent to the only rule in the biz which is no test, no work!!

So the question is do I want to risk my life for my job??!!


Anonym zu bgafd.co.uk/forum/read.php?f=2&i=12105&t=12105 (http://anonym.to/?http://bgafd.co.uk/forum/read.php?f=2&i=12105&t=12105)

[billybunter]

I hope Angel Long doesn't retire, because she's one of the best. But If her health is at risk then I can't blame her for getting out of the porn world.

[buttsie]

I hope Angel Long doesn't retire, because she's one of the best. But If her health is at risk then I can't blame her for getting out of the porn world.

The above post was from 2003...not 2010

[scoundrel]

The above post was from 2003...not 2010

It's slightly off topic but members who don't already know might be interested to hear what Angel Long did decide in the end and whether (hopefully) she is still in good health, still working or whether she did elect to retire; a very sound decision in her own best interests IMHO if she did.

[billybunter]

Either way she was a naughty girl;)

[kananga]

I don't know about Angel's situation, but hope she stays well.
It would seem to be something of a lifestyle choice as much as an occupation, surely?
Even with this deadly risk.

Even so I almost believe that their is a god in heaven when Tony Montana contracted aids. Which is itself unfortunate. I have no desire to see anyone's life shortened, but at least he didn't infect blondi, who remained faithful until he went to prison.

He tested HIV positive long after they split.

Edit: Apparently they split up 2-3 years before his jail term (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0598940/bio).
Seems a lot of scenes were released long after they were filmed.

[billybunter]

Porn is a risky job, but then so are lots of jobs! You sign the contract then off you go. I didn't enjoy working 30/40 feet in the air welding, but it put bread on the table.

[chuckschick]

I read a quote from the Hedgehog recently where he said it's not PC to say that gay males can contract AIDS through anal intercourse.

Seem like there is a life of fantasy out there in Hollyweird, moreso than usual.

[scoundrel]

Even so I almost believe that their is a god in heaven when Tony Montana contracted aids. Which is itself unfortunate. I have no desire to see anyone's life shortened, but at least he didn't infect blondi, who remained faithful until he went to prison.

He tested HIV positive long after they split.I wasn't actually aware that Tony Montana has tested positive but TBO I don't really keep up. I don't seriously believe anyone deserves to suffer with a fatal, or even a seriously life-affecting disease, regardless of what the circumstances were in which the disease was caught. Some people do deserve to catch a roaring dose of the clap and be subjected to a course of anti-biotics injections per rectum using a blunt needle in order to cure it. In his rather amusing and (in fairness) unsparingly honest autobiography, Stewart Grainger described how he was persistently and serially unfaithful to his first wife, Elspeth March; she finally divorced him after he was forced to tell her that she needed to take a blood test because he has caught an unspecified but very serious disease (I'm guessing it was syphilis).

By great good fortune, Ms March was not infected. She divorced Grainger; but not right away. He was off on location filming in some god-forgotten hole in the ground with no medical facilities anywhere nearby, no particular wish to discuss his medical condition with all and sundry, but with a 4 week course of pennicillin injections per rectum absolutely essential if he was going to get well. Ms March was approached by the doctor and agreed to administer Grainger's medical treatment. Grainger described ruefully the enigmatic smile on his wronged wife's face as she left the doctor's consulting room and rejoined him outside.

Every 4 hours, Ms March smiled winningly at her husband on location and announced, "It's time for your medication, darling." He had no choice but to join her in his dressing room and submit to the inevitable and very unsympathetically delivered injection as silently as he could. Every single time, after doing the deed, Ms March would smile her sweet smile and ask in her most sweet voice:

"Was she worth it, darling?'

[kananga]

What up scounds? Lose on the football thread? ;)

I probably didn't voice that very well. I would have been happy if Mr Montana had simply contracted a terminal case of crabs, as any viewer of Blondi would attest he was the only man to perform intimate scenes with her, while at the same time he was a man slut. Pure jealousy of course, yet her fidelity is somewhat attractive in itself.

Quote: "In 1999, a man known as "the Matador of Porn", Tony Montana, also tested HIV-positive. Aim subsequently identified 30 performers who had sex with him during the at-risk period, but all were deemed clear of infection."

Last I heard he was being cared for by Sharon Mitchell who cares for others under the Aim foundation.
the article http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-sex-business-grinds-to-a-halt-over-aids-scare-560233.html

For anyone who cares Mr. Montana was last heard of as either a welder or mixing concrete, while Blondi who kept the bulk of their earnings together, after Montana spent 27 months in jail as a suspected kidnapper, married a successful businessman and is very happy, with a young family.

[scoundrel]

What up scounds? Lose on the football thread? ;)


:mad::mad::mad:
NFL/NBA thread actually.:(

[John C. Holmes]

Word is Sharon Mitchell's AIM clinic has finally been shut down by authorities. (Although they claim they will reopen tomorrow.) All I can say is IT'S ABOUT TIME! Anyone who covers up HIV positive performers and lets them infect others, (Marc Wallace,) has a front row seat in hell.

The industry is screaming bloody murder but frankly the sooner HIV testing is in the hands of medical professionals, the safer it will become for everyone.

[USBPepsi]

I read a quote from the Hedgehog recently where he said it's not PC to say that gay males can contract AIDS through anal intercourse.

Seem like there is a life of fantasy out there in Hollyweird, moreso than usual.

Of course, it was assuming that AIDS was just a gay problem that caused the first outbreak in the straight porn industry. It was what caused the last outbreak in the straight porn industry, and it's what will cause the next outbreak in the straight porn industry.

The straight industry prefers to proceed from the assumption that women have some kind of "magic a$$holes", and time and time again it gets people killed. Not to mention the assumption that there is always a "gay connection" to anyone who gets infected. Easier to do that than to face up to the consequences of drug abuse being rampant throughout the industry.

As far as AIM, I've never ready anything about a cover-up that wasn't complete speculation. There's a lot of back-biting in the industry, and right-wingers love to take the worst of what is said about anyone connected in the business and then report it as gospel.

[Mal Hombre]

The straight industry prefers to proceed from the assumption that women have some kind of "magic a$$holes", and time and time again it gets people killed. Not to mention the assumption that there is always a "gay connection" to anyone who gets infected. Easier to do that than to face up to the consequences of drug abuse being rampant throughout the industry.


AIDS spreads more readily by vaginal than anal sex.

[MaxJoker]

Porn is a risky job, but then so are lots of jobs! You sign the contract then off you go. I didn't enjoy working 30/40 feet in the air welding, but it put bread on the table.

30 to 40 feet in the air :eek:


Can`t believe i haven`t seen that porno yet !


What was the name of it , what girls were you " Welding" , and did the contract you signed include a sequel deal :D

[MaxJoker]

AIDS spreads more readily by vaginal than anal sex.

Tell that to this guy ;)


http://img221.imagevenue.com/loc1139/th_89255_liberace_2_123_1139lo.jpg (http://img221.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89255_liberace_2_123_1139lo.jpg)

What too soon ?


:D

[billybunter]

30 to 40 feet in the air :eek:


Can`t believe i haven`t seen that porno yet !


What was the name of it , what girls were you " Welding" , and did the contract you signed include a sequel deal :D

Do you watch porn GS? I'm hoping to temporarily weld my dick to mrs BB later. But I might get a brush off:mad: you can't even unwire a plug these days:mad: TV on and BB in his study reading GreenSkulls witty remarks. I bought a Sony widescreen TV last year. I think mrs BB has watched it more than me. I think I will give it to her as a present. But the thing is she would say no! Not drowned in bleach every day:rolleyes:

[MaxJoker]

Do you watch porn GS?

Well i often check out BBC news 24 :D

[billybunter]

Well i often check out BBC news 24 :D

I watch the BBC news-well the birds:thumbsup:

[palo5]

AIDS spreads more readily by vaginal than anal sex.

How do you know that?

[retro72]

This may go down like a ton of bricks, but one reason I've never liked the hardcore porn industry is because of the coldness and exploitative nature of it, evidenced by the likes of this topic itself. That being said there should be highly regular and stringent tests where those who are 'performing' are medically clear of any STD as well as AIDS. There's certain risks in any given profession for sure, but needless irresponsibility in regards to health and safety violations are usually met with strict disciplinary procedures, and with good reason.

I'll admit the other reason I dislike hardcore is because I've found it mechanical and boring in respect of the above too. I stumbled across this forum because I had a nostalgic whim for the glamour of the late 80s and 90s one day, especially in regards to Emma Ceasari and Kirsten Imrie...(ahem)

I may sound like a prude, but as usual when I post I just try and say what I think. And there's no way I want people putting their health/lives at discernible risk for 'entertainment', which IMO is what many hardcore performers are actually doing....

EDIT: I should really also add that my primary reason for staying here nowadays is for the music! Make of that what yous will...:D

[USBPepsi]

How do you know that?

You know, research, studies, etc. Why do you think not?

To be fair, though, I've seen just as much evidence to the contrary:

Unprotected anal intercourse does carry a higher risk than most other forms of sexual activity. The lining of the rectum has fewer cells than that of the vagina, and therefore can be damaged more easily, causing bleeding during intercourse. This can then be a route into the bloodstream for infected sexual fluids or blood. There is also a risk to the insertive partner during anal intercourse, though this is lower than the risk to the receptive partner.

http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-transmission.htm

The sad part is that what you read or hear about transmission often has a lot to do with who's backing the studies, which isn't the way that it should be when lives are involved.

[billybunter]

BB forgets facts when a women is looking a "seeing to" I don't bother with the anal, the pussy gets me off.

[USBPepsi]

BB forgets facts when a women is looking a "seeing to" I don't bother with the anal, the pussy gets me off.

Careful, BB... "I'm horny so what the hell" is just as dangerous as "I have a shoot next week, so I won't bother waiting for the test results" (which is as dangerous as "condoms make it less fun", so by the transitive property...).

The disease is just a disease; it wasn't anyone's fault that it started. It's really bad decisions, though, that keep it alive.

Oh, and "I'm not going near the butt, so I'm safe" is one of the most dangerous ones of all. :cool:

[USBPepsi]

30 to 40 feet in the air :eek:
What was the name of it , what girls were you " Welding" , and did the contract you signed include a sequel deal :D

If you spot weld to the girl, you're doing it too fast.

[John C. Holmes]

The biggest problem that remains in the industry is allowing gay men to crossover without having to test. Anal sex, vaginal sex, it doesn't matter if a guy is making gay films with untested, (or openly HIV+,) men and then doing a creampie scene with a girl later that day.

This isn't discrimination, this is forcing one faction of the industry to play by the same rules as everyone else. I've never seen anything more detrimental to the gay community and gay rights than the gay porn industry. (Aside from Perez Hilton but that's a whole other discussion.) Their refusal to go the testing route or even stop hiring HIV+ performers after they DO test positive sets their entire community back 25 years.

As for Sharon Mitchell's covering up Marc Wallace, it was documented very extensively in the CBC documentary "Give Me Your Soul". Her "let's keep it in the family" BS should have landed her in the slammer for conspiracy to commit murder if nothing else. CBC is the most left wing news outlet there is so you can't claim it was some sort of Fox News hit piece here either.

[palo5]

You know, research, studies, etc. Why do you think not?

I don't know, to be honest. Anal would appear to be riskier for precisely the reasons you mention, but that doesn't make it a fact

It probably also depends how you read the "statistics" - there must be a lot more vaginal sex than anal sex, and so quantitatively it could be that more HIV is transmitted through vaginas. I'm speculating here, but it seems possible

And I'm not sure I trust the "statistics" in the first place. It seems to me there's a problem obtaining "raw data", for example, we don't actually know what percentages practice what forms of sex, and if we don't even know that much, comparisons are problematic

The sad part is that what you read or hear about transmission often has a lot to do with who's backing the studies, which isn't the way that it should be when lives are involved.I agree, but it's inevitable for obvious reasons