[outdated] Model ID-Request discussion thread: Ideas, Opinions, Suggestions...

[Denaniel]

These pix are mostly headshots for the purpose of helping to ID porn stars by their faces:

http://rapidshare.com/files/33605854/Prn_Str_pix.rar

password: Denaniel

These include those posted by akula, plus more. See also the index of names below. Here is akula's post:

http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/index.php/topic,5276.0.html

Samples:

http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc1121/th_72254_new-01_1Ab-An3_123_1121lo.jpg (http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=72254_new-01_1Ab-An3_123_1121lo.jpg) http://img153.imagevenue.com/loc1138/th_72244_ID-Angel_123_1138lo.jpg (http://img153.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=72244_ID-Angel_123_1138lo.jpg)

There are four sets of jpegs. Three sets totaling 59 jpegs with multiple stars on each page, and a fourth set with 504 jpegs of individual stars. Theoretically there could be over 1400 different stars represented here, but there are many repeats between sets, so the real number is probably half to two thirds as many.

Note: spellings may vary, and some stars may be listed under an alias, e.g. Tigr (Mennett) is listed as Chelsea Manchester. If you don't find a name you're looking for, try searching for the name at imdb.com or iafd.com and look under aliases you find there.

The original set with 24 per page came to me with many missing photos. I've included some revised pages with additional photos, as well as the original pages. Kudos and thanks to the original poster and the person who added many missing pix.

Click on this link to download a simple text file (38 KB) with a list of all the porn stars represented here:

[Mod Edit: Dead Link removed]

No pw req'd. Please comment if you find these helpful. Or if not, please let us know why. Cheers.

[Name-Hunter]

Take it slow icu.
The 1st great step you have taken is to pre-pend [Solved] to threads...great!

The 2nd most important step is to clean the forum by:
1. Moving solved threads to either the model's existing thread
or
2. Creating a new thread for the identified model.

then

3. PM the requester with the VEF thread link so they can find their answer, and know that they haven't been ignored when you do step 4.

4. Delete the thread from the request forum when the solved post falls to the 2nd page...or 3rd
[only in extreme boredom do I ever go beyond the 3rd page in search of puzzles to solve ;)]

With your encyclopedic knowledge of models, we can reasonably rely on your evaluation as to whether the model belongs in OtherStuffModels, Classic Pornstars or Classic Models...or some other applicable location [Celebs for instance]

In any case, even if you are wrong, you can be assured some smart ass will correct you and the model will find her proper location!

The main job, in my opinion, is to note solved requests and clean out the forum of useless posts.

Congratulations on your new title. No one is more well proven to handle this job than you:D



[this is a place keeper post...subject to edit as the mood strikes me ;)]

[icu]

Many thanks for your great Reply ... and all the Flowers !

...
The 1st great step you have taken is to pre-pend [Solved] to threads...great!
...

I try to get a overview of the finished Posts. If you got any Problems with broken Links - please PM me. Subcriptions are running well. I hope it is not so heavy for all because this is a complete temporary Section. Most of the posted Threads have to go one Time.

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1. Moving solved threads to either the model's existing thread
or
2. Creating a new thread for the identified model.
...

The most works in this section is not to post Requests. It is to post and to appreciate the good and very needed Answers. I am trying to find a way to separate the Questions from the Answers. I want to give a little Honor especially for members with a low count of Posts like 'Juniors' and 'Members' who are looking and are a little bit proud on every Post. It is very difficult to post 'against' some Experts. I will need a Time for it but I am testing this moment.

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3. PM the requester with the VEF thread link so they can find their answer, and know that they haven't been ignored when you do step 4.
...
It is possible to create a Redirection Link that remains a Time to show a moved Thread, but indeed I think it is important to PM if possible.

...
4. Delete the thread from the request forum when the solved post falls to the 2nd page...or 3rd
[only in extreme boredom do I ever go beyond the 3rd page in search of puzzles to solve ]
...

I think the solved Threads should stay a Time in the Request - Section
The Thread gets out of the Section with a Merge or a Move. A little help is to sort the Threads in the Lists.
I worked about 10 Pages ( a 20 Threads I think ) from the Start, but now I want to do first the daily new/modified Threads and the I skip to the last Threads to work reverse. Its my only Chance with about 2400 Threads

... encyclopedic knowledge ... :p
Ok - I have seen some Faces, but there are Sections like P3, Softcore, ... where I am absolutely clueless.

Please - I need everybodys help.


...
[this is a place keeper post...subject to edit as the mood strikes me ;)]
...
:D

Many Thanks,
icu

[icu]

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http://img231.imagevenue.com/loc126/th_41450_alc1_123_126lo.jpg

... it's Time to say goodby to some old Threads.

Continuous cleaning of this Section is necessary.

Please don't 'bump' them back to the Top with Comments.

If you have to contribute something useful to them - this would be the accurate Moment.


It is possible that the number of your Posts and Threads will decrease.







Please don't take it too serious. I try to rescue your Content.


Regards
icu

[hayt2009]

Here is a little series of ID cards for classic pornstars that I downloaded off the usenet in the 1990's . I have no idea who put them together but they seem to be pretty good. The stars range from the retro to modern era's so enjoy... 492 cards - 30 meg in size.

http://rapidshare.com/files/126463585/idcards.rar.html



http://img173.imagevenue.com/loc708/th_73578_ID-Abigail_Clayton_123_708lo.jpg (http://img173.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73578_ID-Abigail_Clayton_123_708lo.jpg)http://img197.imagevenue.com/loc202/th_73579_ID-Aimee_Rogers_123_202lo.jpg (http://img197.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73579_ID-Aimee_Rogers_123_202lo.jpg)http://img211.imagevenue.com/loc112/th_73585_ID-Angelique_Pettyjohn_123_112lo.jpg (http://img211.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73585_ID-Angelique_Pettyjohn_123_112lo.jpg)http://img219.imagevenue.com/loc214/th_73587_id-becky_savage_123_214lo.jpg (http://img219.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73587_id-becky_savage_123_214lo.jpg)
http://img224.imagevenue.com/loc204/th_73588_ID-Kathy_Harcourt_123_204lo.jpg (http://img224.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73588_ID-Kathy_Harcourt_123_204lo.jpg)

[icu: Origin Post from 07-02-2008, 04:50 AM]

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[icu]

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Multiple ID requests in one thread are no longer allowed. This is to keep model ID request manageable, every thread with a single ID request can be closed and removed some time after a correct ID, this offers a clear way of working and will help keep this forum from clutting up with threads.

From now on only 1 ID request per thread.

Regards
icu

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[icu]

I am just working through the List from the End to the Start.
All solved ID-Request and multiple Requests will be closed up to a few weeks in the Past.

Please notice:
This is a Request Section. It is not useful to post entire Sets to this Location. All unsticked Threads are temporary. Please wait until the Person is IDed and contribute to the correct Thread.

[hos]

thanks for your answer in the "Help and Guides Section".

what you want to do smells like a lot of work. even if it's more work i guess it makes sense if there is at least one image in the post which calls the ID.

another way would be a modification of the board software: f.e. if we have a separate section "ID this girl" (which i think we have), why not divide that section into "solved" and "unsolved" and add a button (only visible for the moderators) to each reply of an unsolved request thread, which can be used if someone solved the request. then, by clicking that button at the position of the user who solved it, everything you want to create with your ID Hall of Fame happens automatically? and more:

* moving unsolved thread to solved
* sending an automated pm to the user who asked for an id (your request (link to solved thread) was solved)
* sending an automated pm to all subscribed users of that request
* sending an automated pm to the user who solved (you have earned ID Hall of Fame points)
* auto-update user table with collected Hall of Fame points.

if there is a thread with multiple requests, the new button could offer an option to allow the request thread to stay where it is (unless solved equals requested) - or the software is able to handle that automatically (see start post logistic below).

to have more control on a request thread, a solution would be that the first post is not in the normal posting style but in a formular/mask style:

Reference to your Request:

Request [ x ] <- x will be inserted by board software
URL : [_______input field________________]
or
Thumbnail/Image : [________input field_________]
or
Attachment : [browse]

plus
Comment / Describe Request (*opt.) : [_______textarea______]


if multiple requests will be still allowed, the starter may can add those with an additional button next to the edit button: [ADD]

and to reply to those request, there is NO reply button to the thread and no quote button for the first post, but a new button like [SOLVE ID] next to each request.

(then, if a mod grants the solution as trustful, only the solved part of the request will be moved)

i know that my thoughts would bring some hours of programming work but i think this will save much time for the moderators and for the users it will be a great benifit to be informed as fast as a desired ID is given. and at last the Model Request section will be cleaned up automatically :)

[icu]

Many Thanks for your Reply Hos,


the only that I can say is ...


... if dreams could come true ...

:)

Let's do it step by step.

It think the most important Point is to find a good way to work with easy Rules and a kind of Timeline for the Requests to get a defined Status and Size of this Section.


Buttons:
There are really many Variants to solve. I edit each Post for the 'Hall of Fame'. Sometimes there is only a Link inside - but with the definitive Hint for others to find the ID.


Pics:
At this Time the Thread-Posts starting with No. #2 are like a Buffer for me without Content. Posts will be exchanged against Stars. An additional Pics has to be re-uploaded, perhaps later.
I agree to Pics as examples for very difficult recognitions, but on the other Side I don't want to motivate members to post bad pics.


Multiple Requests :
I am thinking about it, but they are not allowed at this Time.
They should be Theme-Projects for Magazines, Scanners, Photo Series, etc ... only opened in cooperation with the mods. It needs Time to prepare such a Thread, otherwise we will get a mess.
I think this Projects are different to the 'daily Job' in this Section, more a little bit like a 'Discussion Group' inside a Thread.

Thanks again for your Ideas and Suggestions,
I hope to see you again at this place hos,
icu
:)

[burpman]

I know its a lot of work on top of everything else being done but it might be a good idea to scour the ID thread to search for repeated requests of the same model. This happens quite a bit when the model cannot be ID'ed by several members and almost becomes a FAQ (Moyra Melons is a good example of this)

[icu]

Thanks burpman,
it is more easy to find them if they are solved.
The problem is to find the unsolved requests because the are not identical.
Yesterday I merged two unsolved Threads. Both posted from the sam User - I had to look twice to see that it was the same girl.

I know there is another double in the Threads:

Thread #1 : A posted Set with a brunette
Thread #2 : A Link to a giffer-Page

Ok, I know it ... but sorry that's all ... I don't have a clue to find them again ...

@all
if you see double Threads or ID - Requests ( solved or unsolved ), please post the Links to this Thread. I check them if they can be merged and you will recieve my Thanks.

Regards
icu
:)


(added)

Today I found the second thread and merged both

[Pepper II]

Thanks to icu for your time and dedication. No system will be perfect and given the responsibility we would all certainly handle it differently. Of course I do have some concerns and suggestions for your consideration.
-There should be a minimum number of posts elsewhere before a member can post requests here.
-There is an excessive number of requests for ID's of modern pro-am models whose identity may never be known and who certainly are not vintage. These should be prohibited and deleted on sight.
-Requests without a picture should be deleted.
-I don't want to see the section limited to any number of pages. I have trolled back through all these pages and gained some useful information. Also there are some models in here who have never been appropriately identified but have extensive threads. These must not be lost.
I'll leave you with these thoughts for now. Regards.

[icu]

Many Thanks Pepper II,


There should be a minimum number of posts elsewhere before a member can post requests here.

Indeed, many users start their posting with Requests. Very nice is the variant to post something, recieve an answer, no Thanks Button. I will have a look on this.




There is an excessive number of requests for ID's of modern pro-am models whose identity may never be known and who certainly are not vintage. These should be prohibited and deleted on sight.

That would be one way. Another Variant is to start Threads Titles with 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, etc ... to get the list sorted. It is like reducing parts of the List to decades.




Requests without a picture should be deleted.

Yes, previews are important. You don't get 100% secured with them but you don't have to forward via Links to unknown sites to see the Core of the Request.




I don't want to see the section limited to any number of pages. I have trolled back through all these pages and gained some useful information.

This is a great Problem. I agree.
One example (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?t=17968&highlight=poarn). It was an 'one Post' request for more than one year until she was identified. Now she got a Thread at 'Classic Pornstars'.
But this is extremly rare : 1 out of 1000 Threads.
Nearly all ID-Requests disappear after they reach Listindex No.600 ( 30 Pages a 20 Threads )
Most Threads appear back to the top with bumping like 'bump', 'up', 'anyone ?', 'is this patient enough ?', ... this is not allowed. A way to get a Thread to the top without bumping is to close the old one and to open a new Thread. This shows the interest in an old Request. We should not keep obsolete Threads forever.

We will get more short Threads in future due to the '1 ID Rule'. This makes it possible to close more Threads after a Time. The Time for a Thread to reach the end of the List gets longer. I think we should find a Timeout for it. Perhaps a Date ( 6 month, 9 month, one Year ) or a Thread number.
.



Also there are some models in here who have never been appropriately identified but have extensive threads. These must not be lost.

Perhaps it is possible to give them temporary names or most used nicknames to get them to collecting Sections.




I'll leave you with these thoughts for now.



Hopefully to be continued ... it is much better than staying in a snail shell

Regards
icu

[Sadielover]

OK, so I just had a multiple ID requests thread deleted. Sorry, I didn't realise there was a rule against it as I'd seen plenty of them before. I was just wondering if there is or should be an outlet for users to host their requests in similar all-in-one linkable threads, such as Name-Hunter's Xanlithe Project (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?t=31679), because with a collection of over 3000 models I have plenty of unnamed, and I know a lot of threads here simply fall under the radar. I appreciate why the ID forum has its rules and I agree with them, but perhaps a sub forum for semi-permanent collector/contributor userthreads might be an idea.

[icu]

There are many Reasons to make the 1 ID per Thread Rule. I worked the last weeks through about 2400 Threads. It is very difficult to remove obsolete Posts from big Threads which are not moderated or do not have a maintainer. They can't be solved and are getting bigger and bigger. One of the Effects of Theme Threads, ID Collections, ... is that this method to work doesn't support the Seachbox. It is easy to post something instead of a search through Threads. OK - many is not identified and will never be. On the other side it is not possible to ID everything to sort a HD.

Regards
icu

[Sadielover]

I'd be more than happy to maintain my own thread, and apply information to relevant model threads. I wouldn't ask if I didn't think it would be for the benefit of the board and other posters. I would really appreciate the opportunity as I have an insurmountable volume of unidentified sets, and I'm pretty sure others would find the idea useful.

[icu]

What is your occasion to get them identified ?

Did you check these Threads ?

Threads for those hard to find Models (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=430052) ( credits : buttsie )

Identified Models - Links to pics, scans, and useful sites (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=409209) ( credits : buttsie )

Ceecee Classic Model list (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=570448#post570448) ( credits : Dario Rosselini )

Classic Pornstar list (A to Z) (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=7681#post7681) ( credits : -Lucifer- )

A - Z M*yf*ir Model list (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=73320#post73320) ( credits : argonaut )

A – Z P@ge 3 Girls List (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=158137#post158137) ( credits : hoyya )

Models A-Z Links List (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=519929#post519929) ( credits : trip )

[Sadielover]

Yeah. The girls I'm looking for I've been unable to adequately ID despite 15 years of magazine collecting, 8 years of internet searching and 18 months of frequent VEF browsing. They're pretty obscure.

[icu]

Is there a main decade of the pics ?

[Sadielover]

they're mostly mid-'90s.

[icu]

Hi Sadielover,
I thought a time about it.
I am convinced that the thread would be very challenging and be subscribed by members, but also confusing if we see the Rules. In this section are some great historically grown threads but I think they should be the only exceptions. We have to get more practical knowledge with the short Threads. It is possible that you have more sucess there over time.

Regards
icu

[Sadielover]

Sure, it's your call. I just thought it'd be easier and less of a drain on the board for me to make one big thread rather than spam the forum with several dozen.

[icu]

Another way is to open threads with similar thread names or tags like 1970s, 1980s, ... to get relations between similar threads.

[buttsie]

Sadielover assuming most of your unknowns are from models who have appeared in magazines?
why not set up a sticky post in each/either of the vintage/non-vintage magazine sections
something along the line of identified/unidentified models by magazine

I've seen it done before on several sites for mayfair magazine in particular scanning the front cover and the 2 inside pages per issue.This sort of thread would be far more useful than posting them in a magazine thread where they become inaccessible due to the size of the thread

Being that they'd be in the magazine section/sections their going to compliment other ID threads because not every person who is into magazines passes by the Model ID thread etc

Just my 2 cents worth...;-)

[icu]

I close most of the solved threads after 4 weeks.

I close threads immediately if I see that the ID-Poster gets no thanks from the requester. It is no good style to ask for something, get a good answer and don't use the thanks button to appreciate it.

[12860491]

Slight problem with closing the threads so rapidly is that the user may only log on to the site every two or three weeks.



A problem is the nature of the display, i.e. as a message board - a system meant for written communication.

Would it be possible to produce a 'contact sheet' page consisting of the model pictures and nothing else, say 40 per page, so that you take them all in in one glance ?
Perhaps with different pages with models sorted by estimated period, build, hair colour etc.

I can understand the reluctance of users to trawl through to page 45 etc. - this would get around that problem, and with pictures to look at users wouldn't get bored !

[icu]

Thanks 12860491,

it is no problem to increase the interval from actually one to two month if needed, but the time should not be too long because that invites to post content to a temporary Request instead of the correct thread.
I do not remove solved threads if I see that the requester wasn't active since the ID Post.
If I see that the requester don't use the Thanks Button then I remove th thread faster at the moment.

Contact sheets:
It is possible to make such sheets, but it is a lot of work if a nice layout is wanted and also the containing informations should be kept clean.

Example : I am building some rdx-sheets here (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=549063&postcount=307) ( at the moment is the 23rd update posted ), I need about 2-3 hours for one complete update.

I have to think about it for a Time, maybe there is an easy way to build some Sheets here with the solved Requests. It would be easier if every thread contains a working thumbnail. In this case it is not needed to download a image per request.

On the other Side we have a lot of index threads that are similar to little databases here and in other sections.

Cheers
icu

[Fabrizio]

http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc931/th_45281_cc_Coll2000-01_Centerfolds_of_the_Century_49_123_931lo.jpg (http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=45281_cc_Coll2000-01_Centerfolds_of_the_Century_49_123_931lo.jpg)

[akilles]

Well, you got the 3 max part right, but it's still supposed to be one ID per thread.

[icu]

Yes,
1 ID per thread makes the work easier. The threads don't mess up over time.
3 new ID requests per member per day prevents against request spamming and helps to get a mix of requests from different members and themes.

[Fabrizio]

Yes,
1 ID per thread makes the work easier. The threads don't mess up over time.
3 new ID requests per member per day prevents against request spamming and helps to get a mix of requests from different members and themes.

Vetran member, but newb in this section, sorry

Ciao

[icu]

Hi,

there are no Apologies needed. I think it is always ok and appreciated to ask for something.

Cheers
icu

[icu]

...
Would it be possible to produce a 'contact sheet' page consisting of the model pictures and nothing else, say 40 per page, so that you take them all in in one glance ?
Perhaps with different pages with models sorted by estimated period, build, hair colour etc.
...

Hi,
I built a new thread : Sheets : solved requests (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=682038#post682038),
but I would like to sort them only by name to get it handled.

[icu]

Modified thread names:

[solved*] = to be closed or cleaned and moved over the next time.
[*solved] = not added, reasons : only a link / no thumb / can not crop a useful softcore image / etc ...
[solved]* = added to the sheets


They still appear is you search for [solved]

[Deluxe]

Since some girls go by only a first name, is an ID considered solved if you identify her by name and site?

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?t=64984

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/t68048-who-is-this-wonderful-girl-moved.html

[icu]

I think it will not be possible to ID all girls with Database links like
gabi @egafd

It could also be useful to name them with popular nickames combined with sites like
nickname @Site because with a little luck those popular nicknames can be found later in the aka's.

This offer better values for the searchbox because the string is longer and it is better than nothing. I am testing a little - perhaps it is better to place a space between the nickname and the @Site.

[icu]

Prefered are:


Solved threads : [*solved], [solved*]


Threads with ... no previews, links only, text only, etc ...
I will send PMs with the requested content if possible. This is to see which requests are still
important for you and should be re-opened conform to the Section Rules (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=638891#post638891) to get them revived
after they are closed and away.



It is possible that your number of Posts will be reduced due to this work.



Regards
icu

[icu]

Repaired some image links in this list of ID requests... ( maybe you don't know the pics )


http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=446734

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=444270

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=472981

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=474454

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=487434

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=497337

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=500005

[hos]

icu, just curious:

is there a system when you move the "answer" of a solved request to the hall of fame thread? cause i've given a solution yesterday which is allready moved into this thread but have solved some others (yesterday and before) which aren't yet moved.. so i guess, if there is a system, it is not time-based, right?

[icu]

Hi hos,

sometimes are threads opened which are not conform to the rules like multiple ID requests. It happens there are replies to them before I discover the thread. I close those threads, send the owner a PM and move the ID posts to the ID Hall Of Fame immediately.

Maybe that is the Reason.

At the moment I close the threads in a range between 4 to 8 weeks after they are solved. You can recognize them with [*solved] or [solved*].

Cheers
icu

[hos]

yeah, that was the reason. 2 id's were given on that request

[icu]

Please try to show the previews of your links. I think is is important to see something immideately in a request without seaching for visible content via a link.

Help:

ImageVenue:
How to repair imagevenue links in posts (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=681206#post681206)


Imagebam:
Just open the link to the Pic, scroll down...
http://img11.imagevenue.com/loc406/th_17820_IB-bbcode_123_406lo.jpg (http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=17820_IB-bbcode_123_406lo.jpg)
..copy the complete BB-Code and paste it to your Post.

[icu]

Hi,
to prevent confusion:
there will be a few changes with this two threads because the content is a little bit mixed.

Thread #1:the definitive kk model identification thread (official sets) (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=296749#post296749) ( credits : Rob4 )
Thread #2:the definitive kk identification thread [reorganizing] (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=331794#post331794) ( temporary : icu )


Step #1: ( done )
The threads will be separated...
Rob4's CSV .A ( post #1 of thread #2 ) will be moved to thread #1
I will take over the thread temporary for a time only until step #2 is solved.
Then it will be transfered to another valued member.


Step #2:
Thread #2 will be reorganized and probably renamed, this will need time to finish it.

[hos]

a little bit is good. those threads are an overkill of information imo. especially with the hundrets of different id-sheets which contain often one and the same image and there is no real link to the main info: where are the actual sheets / where are the other sheets. :D

[Deluxe]

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/t65869-80s-us-star-sandy-or-sandi-brown.html

Correctly IDed as Sandy Summers by fictioneer.

[icu]

I removed the discussion thread 'The Classic Softcore Model ID Thread' because there is no response and it will create confusing if we see the Section Rules.

Regards
icu

[Deluxe]

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/t64882-is-this-teresa-maverick-or-has-she-got-another-name-help-please.html

Found this - not marked as solved, but Tereza Maverick positively IDed by Name-Hunter

[icu]

If you find damaged layouts like links only to imagebam, imagefap or imagevenue then please post the links to the posts to this thread.

I try to repair them.

[Deluxe]

If you find damaged layouts like links only to imagebam, imagefap or imagevenue then please post the links to the posts to this thread.

I try to repair them.
Only damaged syntax, or also the links to the image page (no thumb)? There are a lot of link-only posts, maybe 1/6 or 1/8 of the posts I went through back to May 13.

[icu]

Yes, also the links without thumbs to imagebam, imagefap and imagevenue please because I can repair them in most cases.

[icu]

Hi all,

could it be useful to open a thread containing only cropped pics of details from identified models like tattoos ?

Only an idea but I am thinking a time about it. Perhaps something this way ?


only pics of the details and names of the models to get additional datas for the searchbox
No ID requests inside the thread
I think links are not needed
...




Examples for a tattoo and highlight thread:

Monica Moore : tattoo 'unicorn' upper arm
http://img167.imagevenue.com/loc763/th_36230_MMoore1_123_763lo.jpg


Elisabeth King : highlight 'sex' belly
http://img235.imagevenue.com/loc346/th_36230_Eking1_123_346lo.jpg

[hos]

those significant infos are allways useful. but as usual, a forum software doesn't deliver a good system to categorize those infos ("tags" are a way but not very comfortable). result is, we again have a list which runs at some point over 50 pages and it will be hard to find a desired information between a big list of images over multiple pages.
and in the end, it's like allways: you waste hours of time by clicking through one big index where you find many other nice things but miss the one thing you were really looking for... (i think it's a murphy)

[icu]

I agree, the only benefit that I can see is to find some details with the searchbox

[ynsimm]

From a point-of-view of name-hunting (what's in a name ;)) I think it can be quite helpful, because it may (I don't say: will in any case) narrow a search dramatically.

a forum software doesn't deliver a good system to categorize those infos ("tags" are a way but not very comfortable). result is, we again have a list which runs at some point over 50 pages and it will be hard to find a desired information between a big list of images over multiple pages.
If you implement it with a single thread, then I agree. But you can implement a 2-level system: the top level only shows different tattoos, and each tattoo links to one thread with model(s) having the specific tattoo. Each tattoo thread has per model an image and a model thread link. For most tattoo searches this will obviously shorten the model lookup dramatically. A disadvantage might be the creation of a lot of new threads: one per tattoo.

and in the end, it's like allways: you waste hours of time by clicking through one big index where you find many other nice things but miss the one thing you were really looking for... (i think it's a murphy)
Seen from a broader viewpoint, that absolutely does not need to be a bad thing: I'm currently trying to identify a LOT of different images in my collection, and usually while searching for a specific model, I find several other models which I recognize as being on my todo list :D - as the famous Dutch former soccer player Johan Cruijff uses to say: each disadvantage has it's advantages ;). But I agree, if you're searching for a specific model, you may end-up searching the hard way.

[icu]

I think we should not think too complicated, it could be one mixed thread to get additional datas for the searchbox

2 variants for one thread:


No fixed structure ( i.e. not only one post per tattoo type ), filled appending by everybody with posts.
+ pics are only uploaded once by the posting member
+ everbody adds posts
- Maybe we are collecting some doubles here.


Sorted Posts like the CSVs, each post maintained by a member.
+ clean structured thread
+ possible : overview/index/quick directory
- double uploading of pics needs more space in the thread and more works

[hos]

i've thought about this idea, i still like it but as almost it comes up with work for a moderator. icu does SO MUCH for this forum that i really don't like to add further ideas for id'ing girls, but in the end, we all like to have it easier to find the goodies.

i go with you, ynsimm, if you add a level to categorize possible results, it will shorten the time of searching. so may idea for a top level would be something like we have for different mag-indexes which come with an A-Z directory. if it's possible to implement that structure with something for tattoos - f.e. not the look but the position of the tattoo:

lower back | middle back | back shoulder | front shoulder | breast | belly | bikini line | ....

and maybe a masking for those directory entries (which are declared in first post) so that the directory entries are just like

bodysections : 1 | 2 | 3 | ..... | 24

and then, in those section, each post title would have a "tag" for the tattoo design so that you can search "design at body location".

hmm. what do you think?

[ynsimm]

What I'm thinking: well, that basically you're introducing a 2-dimensional search (tattoo & place), which is even faster than my 1-level hash, but I'm afraid that it will be considered as even more complicated... ;) Although I do think that basically it's a good proposal.

Next week I'll spend some more time for thinking about this subject, currently I'm hunting in the Ashley Adams thread, and I known that I do have at least two different sets of her which aren't posted there yet. My only problem is to find them... :)

[icu]

Since some girls go by only a first name, is an ID considered solved if you identify her by name and site?

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?t=64984

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/t68048-who-is-this-wonderful-girl-moved.html

I renamed the threads ( suggestions ), maybe we can build a list with pseudonyms like ...

...
@ebi
@egafd
@em
@kpc
@iafd
@sr
@vt
...

They are searchable if we put a space between them and the name

[icu]

... 2-dimensional search (tattoo & place)...

http://img269.imagevenue.com/loc133/th_20920_tat001_123_133lo.jpg (http://img269.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=20920_tat001_123_133lo.jpg)

I am working with it and it is a really big help - but there is a difference between a database and a board ...

The thumbs above are images for groups, clicking on it skips to the list of models

[Name-Hunter]

Time to make a thread for her I think.
Often requested and highpointbleed has already seen the answer.

Whatdoyouthink icu?


[ Mod Edit : Post moved, Context : [solved]* Chynna aka Chrissy aka Lace ( Please ID this Girl ) ]

[hos]

i'm not icu, but allow me to tell you what i think: that this is allready her thread and will be moved in its entirly (minus your post which solves the request) at time to the correct section

same with this one
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t63466-solved-jennifer-toth-can-someone-tell-me-who-this-model-is-.html

[icu]

Time to make a thread for her I think.
Often requested and highpointbleed has already seen the answer.

Whatdoyouthink icu?

I am still thinking that she got a thread, but I am clueless atm where it is. Perhaps there is an aka missing. I think there was a maybe scanned cheerleader set on a tribune or something like that.

Actually I am closeing threads on page ~40 ( 20/page = thread No. ~800 )

[icu]

i'm not icu, but allow me to tell you what i think: that this is allready her thread and will be moved in its entirly (minus your post which solves the request) at time to the correct section

same with this one
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t63466-solved-jennifer-toth-can-someone-tell-me-who-this-model-is-.html

This thread is a little bit special...

[hos]

cool icu, that's circa that what i had in mind. but it looks difficult to decide which body location is displayed for the examples.

maybe an easier way to get the "section id" from the location example would be just a mapped girl body.. like this (unfinished and made with haste) example:


http://img162.imagevenue.com/loc210/th_17845_example_123_210lo.jpg (http://img162.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=17845_example_123_210lo.jpg)

the regions shouldn't be too small and tattoos which range over 2 sections will be added to combo-sections like "B1B2"

cool would be if it's possible to choose by click on an imagemap so we would only need an additional directory for those tattoos which reach over 2 or more sections.

[icu]

Click on a map would be possible if you build a map like a puzzle of a pieces which are cross linked to a post.

BB Code example for a pic combined link:
a click on the Pic directs to a linked post ( always the same one in this example )

Post:
http://img105.imagevenue.com/loc357/th_60426_s0001_123_357lo.jpg (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=682074&postcount=20)http://img105.imagevenue.com/loc357/th_60426_s0001_123_357lo.jpg (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=682074&postcount=20)
http://img105.imagevenue.com/loc357/th_60426_s0001_123_357lo.jpg (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=682074&postcount=20)http://img105.imagevenue.com/loc357/th_60426_s0001_123_357lo.jpg (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=682074&postcount=20)

It is possible to skip inside the destination Post via map to the next sub level post, all Levels in only one thread ;)

( important note : it is not allowed to use this technics for spamming, phishing, abuse,... )

[hos]

how deep could sub forum levels be with vBulletin? and is it possible, to hide sub forum levels from the forum overview display without denying the request of a given link to such a sub forum?

intention of this question is a structure like this:

tattoo seach (sticky post in Model ID Request with 2 imagemaps (front / back) to body locations which leads to those subforums)

-> each body location as subforum (not displayed in main forum overview)
-> in each subforum threads for design patterns (chinese symbols / animals / hearts / ... )
-> in each thread a post for a girl which fits to the describing path
(clear: a girl could have a post in different subforums/threads)

subforums and threads in those subforums only insertable by mods. posts by everyone (or by a specified user group)

[icu]

If you have one startpoint in one start post of one thread than you can do everything in this one thread. The last instance in such a structure would be a post containing a collection of links to the model threads or just names. It is no problem to move posts, the links are still working.

The problem of sub forums/sections is that the forum gets confuse and it is static. Structures build in threads with linked posts are more flexible, you do not need admin rights to modify your posts or structure.

[icu]

I start again to close the solved requests one month after they are solved instead of two month because thumbs of the most identified models will appear in the Sheets : solved requests (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=682038#post682038) now. I think one month is a good time to deal with.

[hos]

i don't see the conflict with such a structure. it's the same as allways. and the entry point

tattoo seach (sticky post in Model ID Request with 2 imagemaps (front / back) to body locations which leads to those subforums)

must not be "on top over" (or parent of) the subforums. it's just the entry point to reach those forums which could be included to the forum root level if the display in the forum overview (http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/index.php) is disabled. the display usually isn't part of the business logic so there wouldn't be any big issues with the forum logic.

all this by assuming an option like "[ x ] display in forum overview" in the board admin tool when creating new (sub)forums.

[icu]

Believe me, it will get confuse. We are speaking about one group of properties at the moment. I am working in my database with about 9000 properties without any structures very similare to the concept of a relational database (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_databases)

I think this saves a lot of space because a fixed structure of sub forums with all defined possible cases will be filled with maybe only 10%. It is probably that the remaining 90% is an empty structure like a dry cascade.

[icu]

Time to make a thread for her I think....

Cleaned and moved the thread Chynna aka Chrissy aka Lace (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=708356#post708356) to OS Models

The redirect in Model ID request expires on 07-15-2009 at 09:48 AM

[icu]

i'm not icu, but allow me to tell you what i think: that this is allready her thread and will be moved in its entirly (minus your post which solves the request) at time to the correct section

same with this one
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t63466-solved-jennifer-toth-can-someone-tell-me-who-this-model-is-.html

Cleaned and moved the thread Jennifer Toth (http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=627708#post627708) to Classic Pornstars

[-Lucifer-]

Jennifer Toth (http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=627708#post627708)

Moved back and foreward, after some info that users gave me, she's back in Classic Pornstars

[icu]

Hi all, I am back

Wow - you were really busy here :)

[icu]

I moved the Projects, Sheets, CSVs to the new Sub Section : ID Projects, ID Sheets & ID CSVs (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/f54-id-projects-id-sheets-amp-id-csvs.html) in Model ID Request

The sticky thread Overview : Projects, Sheets, Discussions became obsolete and is removed.

[icu]

Opened the test thread The Mystery Box (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=746883#post746883)

I would like to collect there some selected old requests to give them a permanent last chance.

[icu]

http://img231.imagevenue.com/loc126/th_41450_alc1_123_126lo.jpg


Hi all,
I am starting again to remove dead threads in model ID request. It may happen that subscriptions will break or number of posts will be reduced due to this work. Sorry, I can not send PMs to each member.

Please do not link from other sections to threads in model ID request because the threads here are only temporary - they will be removed after a time. Broken links are producing superfluous works...

Regards
icu

[burpman]

If a model is ID'ed and does NOT have a entry in either P/S, S/C or models can we move her to the appropriate/created thread so the pictures are not lost. The google cache is a good resource but it is not infinite in retrieving removed ID threads.

[icu]

I agree, but I made this experiences:
- Sometimes it is not really easy to find out if a model is saved with other akas.
- The ID requests should be posted conform to the section rules.
- It is not useful to open a new thread build out of links or damaged BB Codes only.
- I tested with more than one hundret PMs to sent the BB Codes of the posts to members - nearly no response.

[icu]

We ( hos and I ) opened the new ID quest Who Is The Hidden Beauty in the Groove ? (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=748084#post748084)

Fun and good luck ...

[buttsie]

The hard to find thread material merged with the identified thread

1 thread seems better than 2 so probably best if deleted

[icu]

Modified The ID Hall Of Famehttp://i29.tinypic.com/mrr2qh.gifhttp://i30.tinypic.com/10cu6ad.gif (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=609717#post609717) Highscore System

http://i30.tinypic.com/10cu6ad.gif = 10 IDs in Posts

http://i29.tinypic.com/mrr2qh.gif = http://i30.tinypic.com/10cu6ad.gifhttp://i30.tinypic.com/10cu6ad.gifhttp://i30.tinypic.com/10cu6ad.gifhttp://i30.tinypic.com/10cu6ad.gifhttp://i30.tinypic.com/10cu6ad.gif

It is unlimited now and it will happen something every 10 IDs in Posts :)

[icu]

Opened thread ID Sheets : Rodox Scan Sets & CSV .RA ( Part III ) (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=784244#post784244)

[Brooksie]

Since this thread has 'suggestions' in the title, I'll make one here... though I think it applies to every forum...

I think that when people use an image of a woman/person for their avatar, they should - either in their profile bit, or as a tag line for their posts - say who that person is. I'm aware I have a woman for my avatar, so my sig might read something like this: "*My avatar is Louise Brooks - silent film actress*." If, however, they didn't know who the person is, they could ask for info on them: "*My avatar is an unidentified silent film actress; please PM me if you have any info on her*."

The reason I suggest this is because I'm starting to lose count of the number of women I've seen in people's avatar's and wondered who they were. It would be wasteful PM'ing them all when their posts could just say the names. Since this is a place where many people come to look at/identify ladies, it seems rather odd for people to have unidentified images in their profiles.

Just a thought.

[icu]

Since this thread has 'suggestions' in the title, I'll make one here... though I think it applies to every forum...

I think that when people use an image of a woman/person for their avatar, they should...

Hi Brooksie,
yes - this thread is dedicated to opinions and suggestions. Thanks for your reply.

I think avatars are little pics displaying persons, themes, subjects, pattern, etc... There will be many cases where people take a little pic just because they like a detail on it. It is a feature. My avatar ( Honey Moore ) appears in thousands of posts. I recieved a few PMs and one request about it in the past, answered them and then the case was solved.

Cheers
icu

[icu]

Opened thread My Avatar Shows... ( Model IDs only ) (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?t=83439)

[icu]

Opened thread in the sub section, especially for the project discussions:

ID Projects, ID Sheets & ID CSVs ( *** Discussion *** ) (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showthread.php?p=874923#post874923)

[icu]

Rules updated, added:



...
Do not ask for ID's of non professional models.
...

[burpman]

While the model ID thread has been very helpful and useful to all the members here, I propose that the Model ID request folder be renamed Vintage/Classic/Retro models only and that a new OS model ID folder be created. The amount of OS model ID requests has been so disproportionately large in the last several months to justify such a division since this is after all a vintage forum.

[hos]

this was discussed more than once and this will not happen.

fact is, model id request is open for modern and classic requests and will not be splitted due to logistical non-sense and additional work it would bring for us.

but a different solution regarding the location of this forum is in discussion allready.

[rachel-love]

The Model ID request section was for models in the industry up to 1995. Is this still the same or not? I have read all previous comments but still feel too edgy about contributing further.
So were do we all put Model ID requests for currently working models?

[hos]

it's just a "suggestive thinking" that model id request is limited to classic cause the section itself is located in classic.

the model request section is not limited this way.

you can ask for modern and for classic unknowns.

[Brooksie]

I think it's fine to ask for both modern and vintage. It's really only a case of 'If you know her - say so'.

However, I do have something that's been on my mind with regard to the model ID thread...

I find (I may be alone in this), that the thread - due to the number of requests - is incredibly hard to keep up with. If you look away for three or four days, you can be looking at ten pages of unchecked requests. I was trying to think of a simple solution to this, but the only thing I could think of was to limit the number of requests per day to 1 rather than 3. This wouldn't stop it being a busy thread, but it might limit the speed at which things get pushed down the list. Personally, I think being able to request a girl a day is fine. If you have a few girls you want ID's for, you just do one a day until you're done. It might even increase the overall number of people who wind up seeing the image.

I did also think maybe limiting it to 1 a day and no more than 3 a week might be an idea, but I think it would be unworkable as far as keeping track goes. So I'll stick with 'one a day' as my suggestion.

[hos]

if you think this request section is on speed, try the one @freeones :D. the amount of requests we have in a week is submitted in one to two days there. and there you can't see if a request was allready solved.

nevertheless, thanks for thinking about the work behind it. with the actual frequency of requests i can live :)

[hos]

oh.. and.. yes but no.

the 3 requests per day is very ok. more than that i thought about raising the limit up to 5 requests.

the bad thing with this issue is not that a member makes 3 requests now and then. the bad thing is that there are several members who make 3 requests nearly every day and over that don't help others.

a very selfish attitude.

[Brooksie]

oh.. and.. yes but no.

the 3 requests per day is very ok. more than that i thought about raising the limit up to 5 requests.

the bad thing with this issue is not that a member makes 3 requests now and then. the bad thing is that there are several members who make 3 requests nearly every day and over that don't help others.

a very selfish attitude.

I agree with everything you say.

5 requests a day, though! You're a braver (and faster) man than I!

I submitted my first ID request thread on Freeones this week, and just after I submitted it I realised I'd broken forum rules, but even though I tried to go in and edit the post, I couldn't until a mod had seen it, so in less than 2 minutes - banned! Only for a week, but I felt like a fool!

[hos]

hardcore as image-in-post?

(freeones sucks. i wasted 2 years there)

[Brooksie]

hardcore as image-in-post?

(freeones sucks. i wasted 2 years there)

I didn't even know hardcore as an image was an issue! I think my problem was linking to a rapidshare file with a password, when they only want links to actual pages with little vids/images. I'll have to be more careful when I repost. It was modern girl, though, and they seem to be fairly good on modern women (if not ID'ing them, then linking to other stuff). Maybe I'm using wishful thinking!

[hos]

"linking to a rapidshare file"

lol. freeones is connected with the industry and they don't allow any kind of sharing. you can only link to "official promo galleries or clips". that's it. you can't even upload those promos to a different location and include those pics with bbcode.

but you are allowed to attach single images, which will be inspected by mods before getting approved (and they don't approve any hardcore - a term which @FO includes open pussies as well).

have you tried to get her id here?

[Brooksie]

I have. I don't have anything new to bump with, though. She's fairly modern. What bugs me about her is; prior to finding the clips I did I'm almost sure I saw her in a few other places (around 2005).

I may have to edit the caps I made so they aren't too explicit for Freeones otherwise I'll be banned again!

[rachel-love]

I find (I may be alone in this), that the thread - due to the number of requests - is incredibly hard to keep up with. If you look away for three or four days, you can be looking at ten pages of unchecked requests. I was trying to think of a simple solution to this, but the only thing I could think of was to limit the number of requests per day to 1 rather than 3. This wouldn't stop it being a busy thread, but it might limit the speed at which things get pushed down the list. Personally, I think being able to request a girl a day is fine. If you have a few girls you want ID's for, you just do one a day until you're done. It might even increase the overall number of people who wind up seeing the image.

I did also think maybe limiting it to 1 a day and no more than 3 a week might be an idea, but I think it would be unworkable as far as keeping track goes. So I'll stick with 'one a day' as my suggestion.

Yes. Good idea. I myself usually do about 2-3 at most but that means there has been a lay off peroid of about 2 weeks (so peeps like me dont even really do as much as 1 a day in that case) as it frustrates me too to have to go back 10 pages 2 days later to find the original timeline.

As a lover of busty natural breasted girls I have really appreciated the increase of the big tits fans and of course in regards to ID finds the occasional nice people around here who have helped me remember those retro girls names I have forgot or never quite placed since a teen.
However I am surprised that VEF has such a busy Model ID thread. Maybe if VEF were to do a sister site to do with Classic and Current Model ID Requests only then perhaps it would be better for what the VEF title means.

Either way is fine by me but would it not make more sense to keep vintage vintage?

[hos]

as it frustrates me too to have to go back 10 pages 2 days later to find the original timeline.

you can't stop the bus if you're just late ;)


Either way is fine by me but would it not make more sense to keep vintage vintage?

i totally agree if you think about the location of this section. give it a bit time, something will happen.


I may have to edit the caps I made so they aren't too explicit for Freeones otherwise I'll be banned again!

you just need to edit those pics you want to add as attachment. if you add just a link and not a hotlink, hardcore is ok.

[Pepper II]

I must agree with Brooksie's comment about the quantity of posts about which I have 3 suggestions. The over-users hos mentioned could simply be asked to be more moderate with their requests, after all this entire forum is fundamentally built on a spirit of cooperation. As I and others have expressed before there should be some mechanism to restrict inquiries from new members. There are an inordinate number of requests from 'members' with extremely low post counts. These guys seem to view us and our time as some sort of public service and contribute nothing in return. Posters who can't even be bothered to read and comply with the instructions should have their posts summarily deleted. I'm referring to those who post a link instead of a picture, post a link to some other site, or expect all of us to download a whole movie just on the off chance one of us may be able to help them.

Keep up the good work, hos.

[hos]

i'll keep your idea in mind and will discuss it in the staff.

regarding the "well formed" ID request we want to see here, i've allready set up a guideline which will replace the section rules in near future.

[Xexemedes]

Greetings Hos

I have been rounding up dead Giffer links and I did not know where to post them on this forum so:

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=437748&postcount=340

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=437440& (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=437440&postcount=338)postcount=338 (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=437440&postcount=338)

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=842259&postcount=7

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=771693&postcount=4

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=704125&postcount=3

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=706353&postcount=4

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=706405&postcount=5

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=707657&postcount=6

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=766885&postcount=2

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=672554&postcount=10

[hos]

thanks Xexemedes. all done.

sad to say, giffer adult section is completely down since ~2 month now and it seems it will never come back. we moderators try our best to remove all those posts silently (and if we can connect them to a model thread, store them in a separate trashbin.. who knows.. maybe..).

but we sure can't find them all on our own ;)

[Desperate]

I am trying to find any more detail about the blond from Omas Arschloch wird geknackt.
The website says her name is Marlene (55) and that might / might not be her real name.
I have tried to post an image but nothing seems to be working so I have put a link in to the page.
Any info like her AKA, movie titles etc. really appreciated
Thanks

http://www.volkserotik.com/blog/2009/07/09/omasex-mit-marlene-55/

[Brooksie]

No, Desperate, you don't have the right place. But considering Pepper II's post above, it is both amusing and ironic. You need to post a new thread here:

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/f26-model-id-request.html

[Desperate]

Will use your link thanks

[hos]

thread closed.

http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/images/buttons/threadclosed.gif

please use this thread instead. (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/t102544-announcement-weve-moved.html)