What does "Blocked" mean?

[Hockaloogie]

I participate in many forums, but the only one I've ever seen where people are "blocked" is this one. Now "banned" I understand, but what is this "blocked", and how is it different from "banned"?

It's very puzzling to me. I look at a guy like dubsalute with thousands of posts to his credit, thousands of thanks, an obviously valued contributor, and I believe a former moderater, and this guy is "blocked".

If a guy like that is blocked, the threshold must be mighty low. If you're blocked, how do you get un-blocked? Who decides who's blocked? And why is this the only forum on earth where people are "blocked" as opposed to banned?

Just wondering about things today on this hot (30c) weekend. I am now going to have a cool beverage and think it over some more.

[seany65]

This info may be quite useful for those of us who don't want to end up being blocked.

[pharoahegypt]

This info may be quite useful for those of us who don't want to end up being blocked.

what info sean??? or am i the only one not seeing something attached..???:confused:

[kogi]

Hmm. .here is what the rulebook says:

"Blocked! Member ..... blocked account, member no longer has access
http://img12.imagevenue.com/loc434/th_62463_bannedmember_123_434lo.JPG (http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=th_62463_bannedmember_123_434lo.JPG) ! Member ... permanently banned account, member no longer has access"

If I understand this correctly blocked means a 'temporarily or limited lockout' while banned is well.. a permanent access denied. I would assume blocked is a time out if the transgression is not too great. The obvious clear case for banning is for instance posting child pornography, and blocking maybe not repeatedly adhering to the mods wishes about certain minor rules. But I'm only speculating..only the mods know for sure..

Dubsalute probably earned his right to choose a title and picked that for humorous reasons.

[flake56]

Dubsalute probably earned his right to choose a title and picked that for humorous reasons.[/QUOTE]

i always found dubsalute to be very helpful, understanding and useful to this forum. do not remember any mod saying why he is blocked or for how long that might be. he is a real loss to the others here who are not mods. shame about that is he is not alone in his use here to other members. in some cases they threw a temper tantrum but with his personality i doubt it.

any mod care to reply? merely interested how that mild a person got into trouble. me, i know why i do. been rather stubborn all my life. brick walls are in trouble against my head.

[hos]

if blocked or banned - the effect to a member is the same. he can't post to this board anymore.

we set the banned status on spammers and new members who haven't posted much - cause their posts will be removed from the forum entirely and you shouldn't see them as posting members in our threads.

we set the blocked status for members who have allready posted much to the forum and it would be much work to remove all their posts including quoted replies by other members. to keep context of these quotes we don't remove the posts of those members.

the majority of the staff thinks that "blocked" looks nicer than "banned" so we agreed on a different "status" when banning members. imho it makes no difference, cause in the end, it's the same.

do not remember any mod saying why he is blocked

because we don't need to justify our decisions or decisions based on wishes by our members. if decisions are made, they have a valued reason, even if it means that we lost a very honored member who invested years helping to build up this forum.

DubSalute's importance is not forgotten and is still respected.

[Hockaloogie]

It was not my intention to start a thread about dubsalute. I wanted to know about the "blocked" tag. For the most part, my questions have been answered. Thank you.

[aloha]

if blocked or banned - t

DubSalute's importance is not forgotten and is still respected.

Who was DubSalute ?

[flake56]

former moderator, major poster, nice human and bigtime supporter of this forum. my only reason for asking was personal. said person had helped me several times and do miss an important source of info on many topics. hoping "block" was not permanent is all. thank you HOS for the reply as i also wanted to know the difference. not intending to create trouble asking about the gentleman.

[hos]

you haven't raised trouble, flake. it's just that Dub has left the forum (this way) on his own wish. i can't go into detail cause it would get too personal - just one thing: if he ever wants to come back, the door is still open.

[kogi]

you haven't raised trouble, flake. it's just that Dub has left the forum (this way) on his own wish. i can't go into detail cause it would get too personal - just one thing: if he ever wants to come back, the door is still open.


Ah.. that cleared up a few things for me hos. Your first explanation didn't clear up the difference between blocked and banned in accordance with the rules. But this one did: He is not permanently locked out then. Btw, Is my explanation/speculation in the prior post somewhat on the mark, or not?

[hos]

not exactly, kogi. we don't use the status "blocked" only for temporary bans and we don't use the "blocked" status in dependancy to the level/amount of broken rules (detailed explanation already given here (http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=1655782&postcount=6)). "blocked" can also mean: banned forever. but if we ban temporary, then yes, we always use the "blocked" status.

the difference between blocked and banned in accordance with the rules

now i understand the confusion..

it wasn't our intention to show a difference between these 2 statuses within the rules. our intention there is just to show a list of all available user-statuses, with a short explanation, depending to the level of contribution (some can't, some started to do, some have done a bit, some have done much, some have done a hell lot ;) ... )

[IngramJohn]

Hi Hos, thank you for clearing up the "blocked"/"banned" question. I find these forums very interesting and (with your permission) would love to know a few things on the administration side of VPF.

1. How was the Forum started originally and by whom?

2. How do you 'police' the Forum? (who decides what is offensive etc.).

3. Who has the 'final' say on what appears on the Forum? I can see there are Moderators ... but, who do they answer to?

4. What is "Former Staff"?

5. Is the Forum in any way illegal?

Last one (honest!) ...

6. How do you meet or exchange how you change the Forum?

Realise you might be busy Hos ... but if you get a spare minute or so would love to understand a little more on how these Forums actually work.

Thank You. I.J. :thumbsup:

[hos]

oh man, you have questions. where's my coffee, where's my cigarette?

1. How was the Forum started originally and by whom?

sorry, i have no idea. that happened long before i dropped in by accident. if it's important, i can ask the board owner.

who decides what is offensive etc.

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

sadly, in todays world between sadists and masochists it's not really easy to go this "human way of life". everyone has his own limits and values. but i guess it's clear to all that especially a porn forum needs some people who take care about the behaviour people are showing "against" each other. "especially" because our topic is special, private and intimate. hurting other peoples feelings with foul comments is more "easy" in our forum than - for example - in a football forum.

and each member, not only each moderator, is challenged to take care of each other. so, if you think that someone is offensive, it is your (free) decision to report this behaviour (or try to deal with it via PM). a section moderator will do his best to find a wise decision in the end - to solve a conflict or to avoid conflicts from being started.

but i hope we all come to this place for enjoyment and not for fights. dealing with bad behaviour is really nothing we are adored to. ;)

3. Who has the 'final' say on what appears on the Forum? I can see there are Moderators ... but, who do they answer to?

each forum has different forum leaders (the assigned moderators of a section). and each section has at least one super-moderator (the red ones) who is responsible for everything which happens within a section (unless it depends only the section).

on top of the super-moderators are the admins, they have some more "functions" (concerning rules, banned content, user accounts, forum emails).

and on top of them is the owner of this forum. if he thinks all is just wasted time, he can pull the plug and the lights go out (that's what i would call "the final say").

4. What is "Former Staff"?

members who were moderators of VEF for more than a few weeks but have decided to retire.

5. Is the Forum in any way illegal?

hmm. well... next question...

6. How do you meet or exchange how you change the Forum?

it would be cool to think that we would meet frequently, sitting together with some pints of beer and barbeque, sharing ideas about the future of our forum.. but the reality is nothing like that. we have a moderator-only forum for all issues which need to be discussed inside the team.


satisfied?

[IngramJohn]

Yeah ... I'm "satisfied" as you say and thank you for your prompt reply.

Think the words ... "satisfied" implies that I have wasted your valuable time for which I apologise.

But, even I have heard that coffee and cigarettes are bad for you ... so, you never know mate I could have just prolonged your life for a couple of minutes?

Thanks again Hos ... promise I won't bother you with such stupid trivia again.

Salut! I.J. :thumbsup:

[hos]

no, i've ended with "satisfied?" in my naive hope that you won't show up with a further big bag of questions today :D

[IngramJohn]

no, i've ended with "satisfied?" in my naive hope that you won't show up with a further big bag of questions today :D

No probs Hos ... enjoy your coffee and ciggies ... you deserve them mate for all the hard work replying to my stupid quest for knowledge. :D:D:D

[Inglorious]

Hi Hos, thank you for clearing up the "blocked"/"banned" question. I find these forums very interesting and (with your permission) would love to know a few things on the administration side of VPF.

1. How was the Forum started originally and by whom?

2. How do you 'police' the Forum? (who decides what is offensive etc.).

3. Who has the 'final' say on what appears on the Forum? I can see there are Moderators ... but, who do they answer to?

4. What is "Former Staff"?

5. Is the Forum in any way illegal?

Last one (honest!) ...

6. How do you meet or exchange how you change the Forum?

Realise you might be busy Hos ... but if you get a spare minute or so would love to understand a little more on how these Forums actually work.

Thank You. I.J. :thumbsup:

1. The Forum was started by erwin, he is still a member here, a VIP

2. Offensive posts or comments, are judged by the Mods of that section or when members report anything.

3. If anything needs discussing its normally discussed by the Mods until a decision is made, if no concrete decision is reached then normally Admin will have a final say

4. All ex mods are given the option of becoming Formee Staff or Veterans when they retire.

5. ;)..... whenever we get a compaint, we always comply with the wishes wether they be an ex model or major company.

6. discuss, threaten, cry, beg...... then reach a decision:)

good questions:thumbsup:

[seany65]

Posted by pharaohegypt:

"what info sean??? or am i the only one not seeing something attached..???:confused:"

I just meant the info that would hopefully be posted by a mod about any difference between 'Blocked' and 'Banned' and what may lead to a 'block', so that those members who don't know this stuff can avoid being 'Blocked'.

Posted by hos:

"we set the banned status on spammers and new members who haven't posted much - cause their posts will be removed from the forum entirely and you shouldn't see them as posting members in our threads."

Out of interest hos, how 'new' is a 'new member' and how many posts do they have to do before they are 'Banned' for not posting enough?

If this info isn't in the rules, then I think it would be good for new members to be told this so they have some warning of what's expected. I did read the rules but I don't remember seeing this. If it was in when I joined then all I can say is "Ooops".

I'm lucky I didn't join, make a couple of posts and then have my PC do one of its oh so regular "I'm not working for a few months, so *&^% off, you speccy four-eyed git, and waste some more money getting me repaired! Mwah ha ha ha ha!" kicks.

[hos]

Out of interest hos, how 'new' is a 'new member' and how many posts do they have to do before they are 'Banned' for not posting enough?

depends content-related. we had members flooding the board with 50 (pointless) posts who got banned and we had members who contributed with 20 posts (incl. one very unthoughtful one) who got blocked.


If this info isn't in the rules, then I think it would be good for new members to be told

in first instance, a new member should read the board rules before he starts posting anything. people who get into trouble either don't read or don't care - and for both types of people a further explanation in the rules won't help much.

[billybunter]

In Belfast Blocked means you are pissed, too much booze:D

[buttsie]

Out of interest hos, how 'new' is a 'new member' and how many posts do they have to do before they are 'Banned' for not posting enough?


You cant be banned for not posting....220,000 of them with 0 posts at last count in April prove that

Its breaking the rules constantly/making unnecessary and unwanted work for Moderators to clean up that gets you turfed off and Blocked or Banned,

Like Hos says the 2 terms really mean the same thing and the difference is down to what best suits the forum not why they were banned/blocked.

that applies to newbies,veterans and everyone in between.

Get to big for your boots/act foolishly/dont read the rules/assume all forums are the same
or decide to thumb your nose at those in power = goodbye



On another forum that I joined recently simply to see what they were about was an unusual

yes or no question,

Are you a spammer? I was almost tempted to post yes simply to see what would happen but it reminded me all too much that there are many who join forums only to post their upgrade links which to me are largely pointless with the exceptions of replacing the very worst copies that often miss minutes of scenes



Theres no substitute when first joining a forum for simply surfing through it from section to section,getting familiar with the user CP & FAQ,downloading/collecting and thanking,venturing into each different section,taking note of all the different rules/information stickies

I spent 2 solid months back in 2007 before i even thought about making a post and I was still wet behind the ears when I eventually posted for the first time but no deletions(apart from my own 700+) that anyone has ever told me about in 3 years cant be by accident.

Working out how everything works as opposed to other forums is always worthwhile because i know all too well no 2 forums are alike

The guy who comes in and posts 5 requests in a day/week etc
or 1 request which would require a team of archeologists/linguists/detectives a lifetime to decipher/interpret and find stands a very good chance of being ignored or even asked to change their ways

Its no different to real life in many ways

You dont need to become part of the forum furniture to contribute as evidenced by what occurs when you download a link and says thanks...the link is kept alive and the uploader is given a reason to share more

Taking your time before posting anything makes a lot of sense





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[Mal Hombre]

I must admit I plunged right in and not stopped since,I've had a fair few deletions but not all were My fault.

[pharoahegypt]

im trying buttsie's route with another forum, but every time i try to post an answer to someone's querie of whatever, i seem/feel like im being ignored, just because i dont have a high post count. having a decent count here, its better, but i know what it feels like for some newbies who are desparate to try and fit in or contribute; but feel the same....

what a lot of newbies fall down on though, imho.... is that they dont look back through threads before posting something they think is good..... "Hey guys; found this; isnt it brilliant; why am i not being thanked by loads of you!" well, the reason often is, because only a couple of pages back the same image had already been posted; and often in bigger or better siez than this 'new' one.....!!! that being said... that's my advice to newbies... by all means post; but please check back a few pages first if it's some well known model/celeb.... it'll save you so much grief in the long run.....

[billybunter]

I try the read and learn method. It is not fool proof but I have done not to bad by it. Everybody makes a mistake now and then, but a warning should be enough to pull the horns in.

[kogi]

I'm more of the dramatic type running for that chasm ahead confident I'll be able to jump over it - then deciding it's not a good idea - slowing down my headless chicken run to a halt - then deciding to jump anyway...;) Nice to have friends to pull me up by the fingertips then...

[flake56]

you got it better than me kogi. i never see the deep stuff first. i just run and make the leap. posting here is more of an adventure than many places. never quite know when a mod will have an off day and delete. am old and done this type stuff since internet first started and use net fell away. some days i think i got it squared away and then a comment from a mod i was wrong. sort of like marriage, dam**d if you do and if you dont. still better than 99.9999 per cent of anyplace else.

[cherry88]

Hey there... I'm kinda new to this forum and I have been lurking around and also saw that some people were blocked. I get kind of nervous when joining new forums because a lot of people seem to be willing to blow the SPAM whistle without even considering that there is a real human being behind it. Get's kind of annoying especially when youre enjoying the forum and just want to reply to everything because you feel like it...

"Enthusiastic posting" does not equal to spam! :(

[billybunter]

Hey there... I'm kinda new to this forum and I have been lurking around and also saw that some people were blocked. I get kind of nervous when joining new forums because a lot of people seem to be willing to blow the SPAM whistle without even considering that there is a real human being behind it. Get's kind of annoying especially when youre enjoying the forum and just want to reply to everything because you feel like it...

"Enthusiastic posting" does not equal to spam! :(

If you play by the rules you'll be OK. Don't lurk come out and play:) we all get on fine.

BB

[Office Boy]

Nobody gets banned or blocked without a reason. As BB has already pointed out, stick within the rules and you'll be ok. Unfortunately that is often the biggest failing on here, people especially newbies, fail to read the rules on the login page when they come in.
For the sake of an extra 10-20 minutes, it could well save you from being thrown out. It's obvious by some postings that a member hasn't read the rules, if he is not sure on something, he should ask. Members get banned or blocked for the simplest of things at times, but 9 times out of 10, it is their own fault.

[hos]

"Enthusiastic posting" does not equal to spam! :(

if you are talking about commenting other members uploads like

"great, thanks!"
"awesome tits!!!!"
"i love it :D"
...

you are right, that's not spamming, that's flooding the board with irrelevant posts. but it doesn't really matter how you call it, cause on the "how shit is this?" - scale, it's equal to spam.

if you want to add just simple statements to a members contribution, no one stops you from sending a PM or a visitor message to this member.

but we stop anyone who can't keep himself from posting such pointless things, they are absolutely unwelcome for people who have subscriptions on their topics of interest - and i bet not just unwelcome for them.

[billybunter]

If you like a post hit the thanks button:thumbsup:

[kogi]

you got it better than me kogi. i never see the deep stuff first. i just run and make the leap. posting here is more of an adventure than many places. never quite know when a mod will have an off day and delete. am old and done this type stuff since internet first started and use net fell away. some days i think i got it squared away and then a comment from a mod i was wrong. sort of like marriage, dam**d if you do and if you dont. still better than 99.9999 per cent of anyplace else.

I'm surprised the mods don't have more off days than they have - since it must be quite a test of patience every day to deal with the same 'can't -bother-to-read-the-rules-kind-of-types'. So I don't envy them at all. Though some mods could probably work on their people skills for sure but that's just similar to real life. One deals with people from all over the world with language barriers and cultural predispositions adding to the mix. A typical Scandinavian phenomenon is to never add 'please' to your requests so it sounds more like a demand than a request: Can I have some coffee? Can someone post ....? We don't use 'please' the same way or as widepread as english speaking people would do - like what those superficial british and americans would do: Yes please, No please, and all that how are you crap... :p Grim Viking determination here! We are planning another invasion ( first one in 1066 A.D) at Stamford Bridge to set things straight. No real brits would lift a finger for Chelsea anyway - so I expect an easy task...


@Mal Hombre: Yeah I know. I just got carried away a little. Gaming Shogun: Total War 2 here. Another approach would of course be to blame revisionist historians for messing with the facts! Surely, what's the next. Some would even say it's true the americans went to the moon, that Roswell is not a cover up, that Kennedy assassination was not an inside job and so on...:rolleyes:

And after a reconsideration of the invasion plans it would probably be better to go via Manchester. For the simple reason: Where can you hide an army of 50000? The answer is obvious. At Old Trafford where no british would find it suspicious 50000 are 'tourists' anyway.;)

[Mal Hombre]

You do Know it wasn't the same Stamford Bridge Don't You ? And anyway remember what happened to Harald Hardrada.

[Hockaloogie]

1. The Forum was started by erwin, he is still a member here, a VIP

Is there a reason you didn't publish his username? Does he not wish to be contacted by the members of the forum he created? I always found him to be very friendly and accessible.

No malice intended, just curious.

[hos]

inglorious has given the username when he was asked.

so what do you mean by saying "you didn't publish" ? :confused:

making a separate topic at prominent place for all to see? sorry, but this won't happen and i don't think that this would be in Erwin's interest either.

[Hockaloogie]

inglorious has given the username when he was asked.
so what do you mean by saying "you didn't publish" ? :confused:


Erwin's username was "Vintagef@n". Inglorious did not publish this username. That's all I meant, and it's not important. Peace.

[hos]

ah ok, didn't know that he had a different username earlier.

[Inglorious]

His registered name is erwin now, if I mentioned vintagefan members wouldnt know who I meant.

[Hockaloogie]

His registered name is erwin now, if I mentioned vintagefan members wouldnt know who I meant.Some members would know exactly who you meant.

[pharoahegypt]

is it ironic, or just bad timing, that a long time member on the previous page has also posted to this thread, but since been 'blocked'...???:confused:

[kogi]

Generally speaking I find it comforting that the mods act as forces of nature: Knight or peasant. It doesn't matter when lightning strikes. No discrimination there. An Orwellian "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others" would probably be the wrong signal to send out...