Nude scenes by actresses under 18 - NO PICTURES !!!!

[Look]

Jenny Agutter

Jenny was born in 1952. So that made her 19 years old when she made Walkabout. So perfectly legal my friend. At worst she was probably 18 years old when it was filmed.

It was filmed in late 1968 and early 1969; released to theatres on 15 June 1971. And there loads of other (mainstream) movies that shows nudity by a underage actor, like The Godfather and American Beauty to name some of the more wellknown

[USBPepsi]

It was filmed in late 1968 and early 1969; released to theatres on 15 June 1971. And there loads of other (mainstream) movies that shows nudity by a underage actor, like The Godfather and American Beauty to name some of the more wellknown

What you say is true, but your examples are faulty. Simonetta Stefanelli, the only person with a nude scene in The Godfather, was 18 when it was filmed. Mena Suvari was 19 when American Beauty was shot.

A good example, on the other hand: Michelle Johnson in Blame It on Rio. 17 when she did her nude scene, and got written permission from her parents.

[widmer]

The other girl was only 16, remember she flashed her breasts

[USBPepsi]

The other girl was only 16, remember she flashed her breasts

Thora Birch, very good! How could I have forgotten Carol Connor's daughter?

[Look]

widmer has already corrected you about American Beauty, I was naturally talking about Thora Birch. As for Simonetta Stefanelli, she was born on 30 November 1954 and Godfather was filmed filmed 1971 from March 29th until August 6th; released to theatres on 24 March 1972, you do the math.

[maxblue]

Louis Malle's 'Pretty Baby' comes to mind as an extreme case: a very young Brooke Shields full frontal, if I remember correctly. (Do I remember correctly?)

[Hylas]

Louis Malle's 'Pretty Baby' comes to mind as an extreme case: a very young Brooke Shields full frontal, if I remember correctly. (Do I remember correctly?)

I'm not sure, but if you're referring to the bathroom scene i think she was wearing flesh-tone undies to give the impression of being 'fresh from the tub'.
That said, i'm running on memory here, and was about to make the same point myself.
:)

[Kandel]

Nastassja Kinski in To The Devil A Daughter, released 1976. Kinski's IMDB page has her born in 1961, which would have made her all of ... 15 when she did Daughter. I can't remember where I read it, but supposedly Kinski is a year or two older than she claims, so maybe she was of majority age, but she certainly doesn't look it in the film.

Interestingly, the said nude scene is still intact so maybe this is a clue about her being underage? Or maybe it slipped by in this hysterical age because Daughter is a pretty forgettable film.

[welshman]

I remember seeing a documentary about an unconventional public school called Summerhill where the pupils did not have to wear uniforms and attendance at lessons were not compulsory. In additions the pupils were allowed to swim naked in the school swimming pool. This documentary did show a scene where girls were skinny dipping. As this was a school, they were obviously under 18. This documentary was shown sometime in the 1980s or 1990s.

Under current legislation, actors must be at least 18 years before they can do nude or sex scences. Was the minimum legal age to do sex or nude scenes lower in the past at 16?

[qwerty17]

What you say is true, but your examples are faulty. Simonetta Stefanelli, the only person with a nude scene in The Godfather, was 18 when it was filmed. Mena Suvari was 19 when American Beauty was shot.

A good example, on the other hand: Michelle Johnson in Blame It on Rio. 17 when she did her nude scene, and got written permission from her parents.

No, "Look" is correct. Simonetta Stefanelli turned 18 when the Godfather was released, but she was 17 when her nude scene was filmed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonetta_Stefanelli

[maildude]

Hate to do this, but if you're gonna pull the pics and vids of Michelle Johnson's nude scenes from Blame It On Rio because she was 17, you're gonna have to pull Phoebe Cates' nude scenes from Paradise--she was also 17.

"I was only 17 when I did my nude scenes in Paradise (1982). They were serious and more difficult because they were not easily justified. But the topless scene in Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982) was funny, which made it easy".

[AYHJA]

Well, I didn't realize that it was against the law to see a nude 17 year old, if said material is released when she's of age, seems weird...I think there are a few Playmates with the same dilemma...

I love that shower scene from Paradise, its one of my favs...I am sure, however, that this is a VEF thing, and not a legal thing...So, it should be OK for me to say that you can find the scene on my Yahoo Group today... :)

[DTravel]

Well, I didn't realize that it was against the law to see a nude 17 year old, if said material is released when she's of age, seems weird...I think there are a few Playmates with the same dilemma...

I love that shower scene from Paradise, its one of my favs...I am sure, however, that this is a VEF thing, and not a legal thing...So, it should be OK for me to say that you can find the scene on my Yahoo Group today... :)

It is a VEF thing. If you check the rules you will see that they clearly spell out that no material showing anyone under 18 is allowed here.

[AYHJA]

I am sure, however, that this is a VEF thing

Yeah, I think I said as much... :) As in, forbidden to be posted here on VEF, but it is not illegal materials, ala a Miss Lords Film...That should make it OK to reference, I posted no live links...

[terrypharma]

I think there are a few Playmates with the same dilemma...

Please don't mention which Playmates, as I'd rather not know, thank you very much. And that goes for any others of you who consider yourselves to be veritable thesauruses of trivia. If you see a kid in a nudist photo, then sound the alarm, by all means. Otherwise, please consider the impact that your small piece of information/gossip/faded memory will have on the "environment."

[maildude]

The fact is that America is fucked up. Legal or not, Cates, Johnson, and even Brooke Shields are gorgeous at any age. Just because our shitty rules are behind the times by 500 years is no reason to berate these actresses. They made a decision to bare their beautiful bodies at a younger age than some farmers and veterans would like. So what is "too young?" It seems every continent has a different opinion. Yet it seems to always be America that holds up the parade.

[maildude]

Louis Malle's 'Pretty Baby' comes to mind as an extreme case: a very young Brooke Shields full frontal, if I remember correctly. (Do I remember correctly?)

Yes she was full frontal. Of course, at her age--I believe it was ten years old--there wasn't much to see. She was nude in the bathtub scene and also in the couch scene.

[abe49]

One important distinction that hasn't been mentioned yet, is in what *form* the nudity took place; if it's considered "artistic" (like in the case of Brooke's scene), then it's considered perfectly acceptable and legal. However if it was to be sexual in nature, then obviously it would not be acceptable.

[Dr Shipherd]

Olivia Hussey was 16 when she did her nude scene in Romeo & Juliet. She was not allowed to attend the London premiere of her movie because she was under 18.

[USBPepsi]

I'm not sure, but if you're referring to the bathroom scene i think she was wearing flesh-tone undies to give the impression of being 'fresh from the tub'.
That said, i'm running on memory here, and was about to make the same point myself.
:)

There was actually quite a bit of nudity from Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby. In addition to the bathtub scene there was another scene of her posing nude, after which she was thrown out of the room by the artist and locked out, banging on the door (still fully nude). In that scene there was absolutely no chance of her wearing a body suit or flesh-colored panties.

It should be noted that Ms. Shield's remarks regarding the "body suit" were greeted with a bit of ridicule at the time that she made them. It was just a fairly immature attempt to cover something that she later regretted doing.

[USBPepsi]

Since we're pointing out examples, I guess I'll throw in Tatum O'Neal. She appeared topless in the film Circle of Two, which was released in November of 1981. As she was born in November of 1963, she couldn't have been any older than 17 when the movie was being filmed.

See, Look, my math is getting better! :D

[Wendigo]

Since we're pointing out examples, I guess I'll throw in Tatum O'Neal. She appeared topless in the film Circle of Two, which was released in November of 1981. As she was born in November of 1963, she couldn't have been any older than 17 when the movie was being filmed.

See, Look, my math is getting better! :D

All images/links from Circle of Two have now been removed in line with VEF rules.

[USBPepsi]

All images/links from Circle of Two have now been removed in line with VEF rules.

I didn't know there were any links. Man, I suppose someone, somewhere is annoyed with me now... Sorry, whoever you are.

I forgot, of course, to mention Michelle Johnson in Blame it On Rio, but everyone knows about her, and it has already been mentioned in another thread that her pics and clips aren't allowed at VEF.

[Wendigo]

I didn't know there were any links. Man, I suppose someone, somewhere is annoyed with me now... Sorry, whoever you are.

Don't worry polartrade, if we were to worry every time someone got annoyed with a decision we made we'd give up modding and go back to lurking.

[welshman]

I remember a scene from the film the Wicker Man where a group of very young girls were dancing nude round a fire. However, I have heard that they were wearing body stockings. In the general discussion board there is a thread about albums with nude woman on the cover. One of the albums covers was from a group fronted by Eric Clapton called Blind Faith. The cover showed a very young girl topless. I am amazed they could get away with it.

[Look]

Then you should see the orginal cover for the Scorpions album Virgin Killer :eek:

[buttsie]

In Non-vintage Celeb section

The recent Renee Olstead unofficial leaked nude webcam shots on the 4chan forum
brings the age issue home to me and that is every post needs to have a verifiable source
if all material is to be 18 or over

http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=1509057&postcount=12
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=1509572&postcount=13
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=1509574&postcount=14

Renee Olstead Leaked Nudes???
By Sarah Pullin - Published March 14th 17:30, 2011 site - shesocrazy

"According to Deep At Sea these are leaked pictures of Renee Olstead. I'm not sure if they're legit or not. In some pictures she has a tattoo, in some she doesn't, and in one her nipples are pierced. Seems a bit dodgy. Plus I'm not really familiar with her, and I'm not really sure what she looks like. I'll post them anyway and let you be the judge."

A response sums up the pitfall of age nicely

"Have you considered that they are taken at different times? Could be years apart for all we know. So far we have no reason to believe they are fake at all."

[USBPepsi]

In Non-vintage Celeb section

The recent Renee Olstead unofficial leaked nude webcam shots on the 4chan forum
brings the age issue home to me and that is every post needs to have a verifiable source
if all material is to be 18 or over

Well, there is caution, and then there is running scared. When it comes to celebrity pictures, my policy has always been to follow the major sites, and see how they react. For example, deepatsea has killed the page, but Egotastic! has left their pictures up.

Egotastic! is the bigger gossip site, the one that Hollywood lawyers rush to whenever they want to threaten someone (not just for underage pics, but just if their client is pissed off in general). Egotastic! tends to back down any time they feel truly threatened. If they still feel safe, then, I'm guessing that there's nothing serious to worry about.

[damp-patch]

Melanie Griffith was 18 when Arthur Penn's 'Night Moves' starring Gene Hackman was released, but would have been 17 when the nude swimming sequence was shot.

[Moon Raker]

Linda Hayden appeared topless co-starring with Keith Barron in the 1968 mainstream movie 'Baby Love', she was just 15 at the time. The movie was released with an 'X' certificate (adults only) at that time and is still available uncut (now 18-rated) on DVD. VEF rules comfortably exceed the legal requirements in US/UK so that scene cannot be posted - but it is certainly not considered illegal in those jurisdictions.

[bourschwa]

Ave !

Good idea, this thread: if we cannot see, we can talk about ...

Most of you are from UK and USA. I'm from Germany and i mostly regard French films. Here in Central Europe we have not such prudish, bigotten conceptions of young nakedness and young sexuality. And 1970 and 1980 were still substantially more saucy.

Some names, which occur to me:

Eva Ionesco and Lara Wendel "Maladolescenza"
(both were naked half of the film, made softcore sex. I mean Lara was ten and Eva 11 at this time)
Eva had a 6 or 8 page nude pictorial in the Italian Pla*bo* (October 1976, age 11)

Katja Bienert

Natalie Uher
(Playmate of the month (German edition), movie "Escape to Paradise" - many nude and sex scenes, both at the age of 16 )

I don't speak English, all translated with altavis*a

[Look]

Eva Ionesco and Lara Wendel "Maladolescenza"
(both were naked half of the film, made softcore sex. I mean Lara was ten and Eva 11 at this time)


Maladolescenza is probably one of the most controversal movies of all time. Find it imdb and read the forum for it. It was released on uncut dvd in Germany a few years ago but got banned not long after.

[welshman]

Then you should see the orginal cover for the Scorpions album Virgin Killer :eek:

I found the original album cover on the internet. I could not believe what I saw. The cover of the Led Zeppelin album Houses of the Holy had a cover showing nude children from the back running up the giants causeway in Ireland.

[buckgerbil]

Thought i might throw some info out here... in the US and most other countries artistic non-sexual nudity is perfectly legal at any age with consent from guardians. that being said Kiera Knightly in the movie "The Hole" is a good watch and a good very brief topless show when she is 16.

[fordprefect739]

She was barely 16 when it was released. She was born March 23, 1985. The Hole was release April 20, 2001. She was still 15 when it was shot.

[zplonk]

see page 7 for a complete list! Maladolescenza is probably one of the most controversal movies of all time. Find it imdb and read the forum for it. It was released on uncut dvd in Germany a few years ago but got banned not long after.

I agree with that. It was a really weird movie. The scenes are not terribly explicit, afa nudity, but the kids are unusual cruel. Through this movie you do realize how kids are incredibly type casted as sweet and innocent, while in fact most kids are very cruel towards each other. I think there should be a distinction between nudity and sexual nudity. Maladolescenza is the latter, but Kundskabens træ (1981) is more the first, with one topless shot of a 12 year old girl. Pretty baby falls between those.

Well, I didn't realize that it was against the law to see a nude 17 year old, if said material is released when she's of age, seems weird..

WHAT?!?! are you saying it's okay to release nude pictures of underage kids as long they are over 18 at the time? I can't believe you just said that!!! it makes no logical sense whatsoever.

Kiera Knightly in the movie "The Hole" is a good watch and a good very brief topless show when she is 16.
"Brief" is an overstatement. it's like 0.03 seconds.

I found the original album cover on the internet. I could not believe what I saw. The cover of the Led Zeppelin album Houses of the Holy had a cover showing nude children from the back running up the giants causeway in Ireland.

you mean this?
http://first-loves.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5071&view=previous

[zplonk]

Olivia Hussey was 16 when she did her nude scene in Romeo & Juliet. She was not allowed to attend the London premiere of her movie because she was under 18.

this is INSANE! An exception should have been made, because she's actually IN THE SCENE. it's not like little kids in horror or action movies when they aren't in those scenes themselves.

It's like the case of those 14 year old girls in America who were convicted of child pornography because they MADE AND send boob pics OF THEMSELVES to their boyfriends!!!!! I mean, who's the victim there? The girl who's in the photo's or ......... the girl who took the photos??? Oh wait. IT'S THE SAME GIRL!!

With Hussey, you can say that she was being "exploited" by Zefferelli, but it's hard to see how Hussey would have had any negatives of being in such highly regarded classic movie, with everyone telling her she did a good job.

[zplonk]

I'm not sure, but if you're referring to the bathroom scene i think she was wearing flesh-tone undies to give the impression of being 'fresh from the tub'.
That said, i'm running on memory here, and was about to make the same point myself.
:)

it's amazing how there are tons of kool-aid drinkers that are trying to prove via complicated theories (shot-by-shot youtube videos or whatever) that Brooke had flesh-tone undies.

She was nude. Deal with it.

If she was clearly nude in one scene, it makes no sense why they would go to the trouble of flesh-tone undies in the next.

I've read somewhere that it seems that Jenny Agutter tried, pathetically, to deny it was her in that movie. or that she wasn't under 18, or something like that.

[zplonk]

Nastassja Kinski in To The Devil A Daughter, (...) so maybe she was of majority age, but she certainly doesn't look it in the film.

This always sounds a bit pathetic to me. If a woman is an adolescent, i.e. she has boobs, hair on the appropiate places etc. how can you tell if she's 15 or 18? you really can't.

The difference between a 15 year old and 20 year old is negligible, certainly if you look at just below the neck.
People who tell you they can spot the difference all the time are untruthful.
Subject them to a simple experiment: go to a university/college whatever, ask girls to photograph themselves in swimsuits/bikinis from the neck down.
Then do the same for 15 year olds. There's no way anyone will be able to tell the difference.

To do this fairly you would have to have at least 100 pics of each group.

And yes, of course there are gonna be 15 year olds who are underdeveloped, and 20 year old who look like they had 6 kids, but my point is that there's more similarity than differences. FAR more

[sooperlicious]

Keira Knightley was only 15 when she did a topless scene in "The Hole" - good movie!

[thedizzle]

This always sounds a bit pathetic to me. If a woman is an adolescent, i.e. she has boobs, hair on the appropiate places etc. how can you tell if she's 15 or 18? you really can't.

The difference between a 15 year old and 20 year old is negligible, certainly if you look at just below the neck.


Case in point: Katja Bienert.

[Lurk_D]

it's amazing how there are tons of kool-aid drinkers that are trying to prove via complicated theories (shot-by-shot youtube videos or whatever) that Brooke had flesh-tone undies.

She was nude. Deal with it.

If she was clearly nude in one scene, it makes no sense why they would go to the trouble of flesh-tone undies in the next.

I've read somewhere that it seems that Jenny Agutter tried, pathetically, to deny it was her in that movie. or that she wasn't under 18, or something like that.

For those that know to look for such things, it has been confirmed that Brooke was wearing what is called a moleskin over her genitalia in the scene where she was pushed into the hallway by Keith Carradine's character, Belloq. This was because she wasn't standing still like she was every other time she was nude, and Louis Malle, for all he put her on screen in the first place, wasn't about to run the risk that some enterprising prosecutor would go frame by frame to see if more could be seen between Brooke's legs than expected.

[USBPepsi]

For those that know to look for such things, it has been confirmed that Brooke was wearing what is called a moleskin over her genitalia in the scene where she was pushed into the hallway by Keith Carradine's character, Belloq. This was because she wasn't standing still like she was every other time she was nude, and Louis Malle, for all he put her on screen in the first place, wasn't about to run the risk that some enterprising prosecutor would go frame by frame to see if more could be seen between Brooke's legs than expected.

I agree about that. It's not exactly the same as wearing a full bodysuit in every nude scene, though, which Ms. Shields lied about for years. Not that I particularly hold it against her, but it just makes celebrities look foolish when they lie about really obvious things.

Heck, back in the 70s even Rick Baker or Dick Smith couldn't have made a suit that would realistically make it look like a female actress was nude.

[zplonk]

For those that know to look for such things, it has been confirmed that Brooke was wearing what is called a moleskin over her genitalia in the scene where she was pushed into the hallway by Keith Carradine's character, Belloq. This was because she wasn't standing still like she was every other time she was nude, and Louis Malle, for all he put her on screen in the first place, wasn't about to run the risk that some enterprising prosecutor would go frame by frame to see if more could be seen between Brooke's legs than expected.

Yah. It's all really unlikely, though. For one thing, logically what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever. Standing still? WTBF you on about? And we can ALREADY SEE between her legs! Again, why would anyone hide in an overly complicated, contrived and senseless fashion what you've already shown elsewhere?
And how perverted would a prosecutor look when he ran to the press (cos this case would be tried in the court of public opinion, so ...) and said that he went frame by frame just so he could look between a 10 year olds legs, which normally couldn't be seen, by the general public. We didn't have widespread computers back then, no world wide web and VHS quality was way too bad back then as well.
So legally, it would not have been much of a risk for Malle.
For another thing, these so-called ''risks'' you talk about, are only ''risks'' to an American who's been raised in a sexually repressed atmosphere, where nudity equals sin, equals sex and equals kiddie porn. The only thing which would be somewhat convincing in all of this, would be some footage or someone who hated Shields would tell us he/she was there, and saw them put on fleshy undies. But who hates her enough to do that? Only Tom Cruise. And what is his credibility again?
So ... fuggedaboudid.

[zplonk]

Keira Knightley was only 15 when she did a topless scene in "The Hole" - good movie!

Hmmm it seems Dutch actresses Akkemay and Abbey Hoes (apparently her real name!) both out did KK at the same age of 15 Akkemay in the film Schatjes! (1984) For Abbey Hoes in the film Tirza (2010) there's some uppertorso nudity, and she flashed her father by lifting her skirt. Case in point: Katja Bienert.

was she really 13?

[thedizzle]

was she really 13?
According to the release date and her birthday on IMDB she was.

[zplonk]

Upon careful frame-by-frame review, Abbey didn't show any upper torso nudity, since she pulls a Brooke Shields with hair coverage of the breastage area and all that, but she DOES TOO lifts her skirt for all of 2 seconds! Her 10 year old sister is in the scene too. Age 15, go figure where all that hair comes from.

[zplonk]

According to the release date and her birthday on IMDB she was.

she doesn't really look it, no. Huge boobs for a 13 year old. it's possible, but I'm inclined to think she lied herself 2 years younger.

[Lurk_D]

Yah. It's all really unlikely, though. For one thing, logically what you're saying makes no sense whatsoever. Standing still? WTBF you on about? And we can ALREADY SEE between her legs! Again, why would anyone hide in an overly complicated, contrived and senseless fashion what you've already shown elsewhere? And how perverted would a prosecutor look when he ran to the press (cos this case would be tried in the court of public opinion, so ...) and said that he went frame by frame just so he could look between a 10 year olds legs, which normally couldn't be seen, by the general public. We didn't have widespread computers back then, no world wide web and VHS quality was way too bad back then as well. So legally, it would not have been much of a risk for Malle. For another thing, these so-called ''risks'' you talk about, are only ''risks'' to an American who's been raised in a sexually repressed atmosphere, where nudity equals sin, equals sex and equals kiddie porn. The only thing which would be somewhat convincing in all of this, would be some footage or someone who hated Shields would tell us he/she was there, and saw them put on fleshy undies. But who hates her enough to do that? Only Tom Cruise. And what is his credibility again? So ... fuggedaboudid. It's in Brookies interest to lie about this, cos she's ashamed about it, cos of her kids, I suppose. Even Malle would have a stake in lying about it, as do Carradine and the other actors, no one would want to embarrass any co-actor if they can get away with lying about it. Everyone lies for as long as they can get away with, ESPECIALLY to themselves....

You're forgetting that while the film was made by a frenchman, it was made in the US. Even in 1978, when the film was made(and Brooke was 12), putting a girl that young on the screen nude, and moving around, was risky. She stood still in the tub, lay still on the divan while Belloq was photographing her, but his pushing her into the hall was motion, and a lot of it. And the truth is, if one were to go frame by frame with all the high tech computer equipment that we have today, the moleskin I mentioned is visible plain as day during the brief moments she is facing the camera. A corner of it had lifted, and was starting to peel off.

[thedizzle]

she doesn't really look it, no. Huge boobs for a 13 year old. it's possible, but I'm inclined to think she lied herself 2 years younger.
She could have. But with a body like that, even 15 would be a stretch.

[JeffThrow]

Olivia Hussey was 16 when she did her nude scene in Romeo & Juliet. She was not allowed to attend the London premiere of her movie because she was under 18.

Aren't premieres private events, and therefore exempt from BBFC regulations ?

[Lurk_D]

Some may be, but most put the stars in a V.I.P. part of the auditorium and then let in the masses, so the stars can experience their reaction.

[martin1tcf]

There's no real problem whether this site or any other site. As long as no sexuality is happening it's all legal. Nude under-age nudity (without any sexual intervention) is perfectlty legal.

[asmobrat]

Yeah - well, this forum as subject matter for discussion does not seem appropriate to me .. But that's just my opinion, so I won't look in again. Cos by their discussion on a forum entitled erotica - is sexualising these scenes even without realising.

[hla24]

Katja Bienert, no way is she 13 there.

[beutelwolf]

Katja Bienert, no way is she 13 there.
I am the last person to let actresses get away with age-cheating, but in this case I am inclined to believe her supposed age. The reason are not so much her appearances in her first films (where she really looks older than 13), but a mag cover she had done years earlier (1974) for bunte blumenwelt.

I did not keep a copy then, but submitted the info to her IMDb entry. On that mag cover she does indeed look like an 8-year-old.

[hla24]

Im not sure if we have seen the same scene, the one I saw she had a lot of pubic hair and looked tall/developed.

That brooke shields one is awful, how the fuck did that ever get in a movie? Some of the promo shots are pure erotica. No way should they be allowed to be viewed.


Would be good to post non nude scenes too.

Katherine heigle was in a thong at 15 years of age for my father the hero.

I still dont get why 16/17 year olds are deemed underage when its legal to have sex and they are old enough to know what they are doing. + they dont look like kids at that age (in most cases)

[leviathan0999]

I still dont get why 16/17 year olds are deemed underage when its legal to have sex and they are old enough to know what they are doing. + they dont look like kids at that age (in most cases)

There's no one law as to what age a woman is allowed to be seen in the nude. The applicable laws are incredibly nebulous, dealing with unquantifiable elements like "sexual situation" or "prurient interest."

"18 years old" is a fairly safe number, but it's a guideline used by photographers, producers, and porn-board admins, but it's not the legal limit at which a female can be photographed undressed.

[hla24]

http://theblemish.com/2007/10/the-kardashians-have-underage-sex-photos/

Its a shame these couldnt be released then.

[reading67]

Olivia Hussey was 16 when she did her nude scene in Romeo & Juliet. She was not allowed to attend the London premiere of her movie because she was under 18.

THe film was released in 1968 when certifications were U, A or X. For X films the age limit was 16 but I believe the film was certificated as A which meant anybody under 16 could see it as long as they were accompanied by an adult.

Regarding Brooke Shields, I understand it was Susan Sarandon who gave her a G string to wear in certain scenes (but not the bathroom scene) so that she would feel more comfortable.

[mandarynka]

Virginie Ledoyen:

L'eau froide 17 years
La regle de l'homme 17 years
Les marmottes 16 years
Le voleur d'enfants 14 years

Judith Godreche

Fille de 15 ans, La 17 years
Un été d'orages 17 years

Julie Engelbrecht

Adieu, mon ami (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115467/) 12 years

[wonhung]

I find this discussion a little bizarre. Surely the age of consent deals with a persons maturity in respect to sexual activity etc & not whether they can appear in nude scenes in films. There have been a number of dramas etc that have appeared on mainstream TV in the UK during prime time tv that has featured children of all ages naked & featured 'children' in sexual acts such as in 'No Child of Mine' & a clearly pre-teen girl running around nude in 'The Spy That Caught a Cold', but what I find curious is that ALL of you mention the females, but what of the FF nudity of the males. What about the boy who portrayed Jenny Agutters' brother in the waterhole scene in 'Walkabout' with his genitals clearly on display. Not a mention.

I well remember the Scandinavian pre-teen & teen sex mags, that could be easily bought, doing the rounds on UK factory floors during the early 70s & being treated as a bit of a laugh and as a parent I find the sexualisation of under 16s somewhat disturbing to put it mildly, but I see nothing wrong in the sight of anyone just being naked.

I found 'Pretty Baby' to be somewhat disturbing, not because of the nudity, but the implied relationship with the photography. I could go on about other films, but don't want to bore people.

[pdsme]

Some Pretty Baby observations and rebuttals.

That brooke shields one is awful, how the fuck did that ever get in a movie? Some of the promo shots are pure erotica. No way should they be allowed to be viewed.
Generally I credit the director of the movie for it's content and story. There are exceptions but Louis Malle I think deserves credit for PB. That's how the fuck it got into a movie. A director, making a movie, making art, creating dialogue and characters put it in a movie.
Not sure what promo shots are referred to here and I'm not sure of your definition of 'pure erotica' but if you're thinking of nude photos of a young Brooke they are not connected with the film in any way.
As far as the comment that 'no way should be allowed to be viewed' I would argue long that you have no right to censor what I view. Obviously you viewed them and you are okay so I'm unsure of what the problem is. Count me 100% on the anti-censorship side. (That's government censorship I'm speaking about. VEF made the right choice by banning all images of 17 yrs and younger. There's no way to determine a rule that allows some images but not others. The slippery slope would ruin any argument.)

Here's what I can tell you about the clothing of Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby.
There's a version put out in the theaters.
There's a version put out on VHS in full screen.
There's a version put out on DVD which probably mirrors the one put out in theaters.
I'm not saying there's different edited versions but the VHS full screen tape does show more of the bottom of the original film and less of the sides of the original film because it is a different aspect ratio.
In the past others have argued this to be impossible because the film was somehow already made and there could be no more bottom to show. It's obvious to me that this film (like Ghost Story with a VHS bush shot of Alice Krige and Carrie with a VHS bush shot of Sissy Spacek) was shot on oversized film and the theatrical cropping removed some of the bottom of the image while the VHS version took advantage of the additional space in order to get more of the sides into the full screen version.

In the VHS full screen version because more of the bottom of the film is visible I can tell you that she was wearing nothing when she stood up from the bathtub to greet the madam and patron as they walked in on her. The space between her left and right leg is clearly visible.

I believe she is naked when being photographed lying on the couch in the full body shot. Her legs are slightly crossed and so she appears covered up to me.

When the shot tightens to her torso and head while lying on the couch and she rises up in anger she is clearly wearing what I will call moleskin to cover her privates.

Then as she breaks the glass plate exposures the photographer played by Keith Carradine and she walks around a bit scratching on them she is also wearing a moleskin that is clearly visible.

When the photographer throws her towards the open doorway I can't tell if she's wearing anything that covers her front.

Then she approaches and knocks on the closed door with her bottom clearly visible but there is also a thin string around her waist that's visible in all the versions that is likely to be a covering for her front.

These people are making a movie and it's entirely possible that the scenes I mention took several days to a week to film everything. Every angle requires a different setup of camera and lighting and that takes time. So it's entirely possible that there are various stages of coverings for Brooke.

This is why there's a continuity director also who's job it is to make sure the actors have the same clothes, scars, bloodstains, etc., and that their arms are at the same angle or their shirts are buttoned the same as finished in the last shot.

The process for turning a widescreen movie into a full screen movie is called pan and scan.

And it's fine if people find some of these films disturbing but it's not fine when it comes to telling me what I can and can not watch. As an adult I get to decide that!

[Rthomas61]

It's like the case of those 14 year old girls in America who were convicted of child pornography because they MADE AND send boob pics OF THEMSELVES to their boyfriends!!!!! I mean, who's the victim there? The girl who's in the photo's or ......... the girl who took the photos??? Oh wait. IT'S THE SAME GIRL!!

A 14 year old girl in New Jersey was accused of child pornography after posting nearly 30 explicit nude pictures of herself on MySpace.com but the charges were dropped after she agreed to six months of counseling and probation. She never had to register as a sex offender. There have been other cases involving sexting with 13 to 15-year old girls but there haven't been any felony convictions of the females.

In an incredible waste of money and time, several state legislatures are trying to pass bills specifically targeting sexting and making it a misdemeanor.

[zplonk]

A 14 year old girl in New Jersey was accused of child pornography after posting nearly 30 explicit nude pictures of herself on MySpace.com but the charges were dropped after she agreed to six months of counseling and probation. She never had to register as a sex offender. There have been other cases involving sexting with 13 to 15-year old girls but there haven't been any felony convictions of the females.

In an incredible waste of money and time, several state legislatures are trying to pass bills specifically targeting sexting and making it a misdemeanor.

oh well. since then, there have been really a lot of girls doing the same thing on 4chan, and they're really all over the net, trorrents. It's kinda weird to see real 14 year olds pulling down their friends pants as well as their own on a webcam not nude, but hot: Zoe Kimball. PS at least 16

[zplonk]

Kundskabens Trae 1981, locker room, 12-14 years old? Torrented on isohunt.com 118147197 That brooke shields one is awful, how the fuck did that ever get in a movie? Some of the promo shots are pure erotica. No way should they be allowed to be viewed.

It seems you still watched it intently, though.... ;)

[kennyjackson]

I did not know that Cates was 17 when she did her topless scene in Fast Times. These nude or semi-nude scenes of females under the ages of 18 are permissible by law if the film etc., is deemed to have artistic, cultural or scientific value.

[fordprefect739]

I did not know that Cates was 17 when she did her topless scene in Fast Times. These nude or semi-nude scenes of females under the ages of 18 are permissible by law if the film etc., is deemed to have artistic, cultural or scientific value.She was 18 in Fast Times. She was 17 in Paradise.

[zplonk]

16, 17 and 18 isn't underage, though, in many countries including parts of the USA it's the age of consent. In all of the USA you can marry at age 15, with parental consent, so that's quite hypocritical. At age 15, parental consent to marry, is often religiously sanctioned rape or parental sanctioned rape or community sanctioned rape, or all three, imho. oh well.

[zplonk]

As far I can see, the list so far.
I've listed them like this
actress, age when filmed, name film.
This might seem bloated, but it does give clarity. Please feel free to add names!
Do I expect to be thanked? No. I won't go further than '''hope''' ;) ;-) ;P


European films:
Júlia Mérö 12-13 Angyali üdvözlet (1984) [plays Eve in the Garden, au naturel]

Ariel Besse 15 Beau-Père [1981]

Line Arlien-Søborg 13-15 Kundskabens træ [1982] [world famous ... in Denmark]
Gitte Iben Andersen 13-15 Kundskabens træ [1982]
Hanne Sørensen 13-15 Kundskabens træ [1982]

Abbey Hoes 15 Tirza (2010) [undertorso]

Adèle Haenel 13 Les diables (2002) wow

Lara Wendel 10 Maladolescenza [really wow]
Eva Ionesco 11 Maladolescenza
Eva Ionesco 11 nude pictorial Italian Pl*bo* (October 1976)

Natalie Uher 15 Escape to Paradise
Natalie Uher 15 German Playmate

Kiera Knightly (deleted)

Akkemay 15 Schatjes! (1984)

Virginie Ledoyen 17 L'eau froide
Virginie Ledoyen 17 La regle de l'homme
Virginie Ledoyen 16 Les marmottes
Virginie Ledoyen 14 Le voleur d'enfants

Judith Godreche 17 La Fille de 15 ans
Judith Godreche 17 Un été d'orages

Julie Engelbrecht 12 Adieu, mon ami

Jonna Liljendahl Du är inte klok, Madicken (1979)

Desiree Nosbusch 17 Der Fan (1982)
Desiree Nosbusch 16 Nach Mitternacht (1981)

Jaroslava Schallerová 14 Valerie a týden divu/Valerie and Her Week of Wonders

Note: Katja NEVER went nude when she was OVER 18 ....
Katja Bienert 18 Lilian (1984)
Katja Bienert 17 Diamonds of Kilimandjaro (1983)
Katja Bienert 15 Linda (1981)
Katja Bienert 15 Kenn' ich, weiß ich, war ich schon! (1981)
Katja Bienert 14 Eugenie (1980)
Katja Bienert 14 Schoolgirl Report 13 (1980)
Katja Bienert 14 Fabian (1980)
Katja Bienert 13 Die Schulmädchen vom Treffpunkt Zoo (1979)

American films/Hollywood
Jenny Agutter 16 Walkabout (August 1969)
Simonetta Stefanelli 16 The Godfather
Thora Birch 16 American Beauty
Brooke Shields 12 Pretty Baby
Nastassja Kinski 15 in To The Devil A Daughter (1976)
Michelle Johnson's 17 Blame It On Rio
Phoebe Cates 17 Paradise (1982)
Phoebe Cates 17 Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982)
Olivia Hussey 17 16 Romeo & Juliet
Tatum O'Neal 17 Circle of Two (1981)

Melanie Griffith 17 Night Moves
Linda Hayden 15 Baby Love (1968)


edited to add:

Milla Jovovich 15 Chaplin (1992) she turned 16 during shoot.
Milla Jovovich 15 Return to the Blue Lagoon (1991)
Sandrine Bonnaire 16 To Our Loves (A nos amours)

[biteme]

I am at a loss to understand why the screen shots that I posted of Christina Applegate from the 4th season episode 15 did not make the cut.I took a look at the posting rules for her that are on the first page clearly stating that post from season 4 episodes 13 and up were ok.I found the best pics of this chick I have ever seen this episode she is doing a rock vid and wearing a black thing and every time she moves her tits are out the whole dance sceen you can see her tits full out.I did what I could to follow the rules and my post was pulled any way need a clue.If there is any one that would like a look PM me and I will send you the screen shots I have cleaned up with photoshop vary nice.

[queeza]

I read somewhere Lise Danvers was 17 in Contes immoraux. Shows everything, including a close-up of her extremly hairy ass crack

[Wendigo]

I am at a loss to understand why the screen shots that I posted of Christina Applegate from the 4th season episode 15 did not make the cut.I took a look at the posting rules for her that are on the first page clearly stating that post from season 4 episodes 13 and up were ok.I found the best pics of this chick I have ever seen this episode she is doing a rock vid and wearing a black thing and every time she moves her tits are out the whole dance sceen you can see her tits full out.I did what I could to follow the rules and my post was pulled any way need a clue.If there is any one that would like a look PM me and I will send you the screen shots I have cleaned up with photoshop vary nice.

Post re-instated as per guidelines in opening post of that thread

[zplonk]

I am at a loss to understand why the screen shots that I posted of Christina Applegate from the 4th season episode 15 did not make the cut.I took a look at the posting rules for her that are on the first page clearly stating that post from season 4 episodes 13 and up were ok.I found the best pics of this chick I have ever seen this episode she is doing a rock vid and wearing a black thing and every time she moves her tits are out the whole dance sceen you can see her tits full out.I did what I could to follow the rules and my post was pulled any way need a clue.If there is any one that would like a look PM me and I will send you the screen shots I have cleaned up with photoshop vary nice.

It is a VEF thing. If you check the rules you will see that they clearly spell out that no material showing anyone who is fully clothed, but is under 18 and who THEY think might be giving you a boner. So if 55 year old nuns do give you a full banana (if THEY think that they do), it's censored, my friend.

Please remember that message boards are dictatorships, not democracies .. because they are run by volunteers.

Also, everybody knows that VEF WILL of course get sued for peddling child pornography if they show Christina Applegate fully clothed, at age 18, in a show that's been on prime time tv twenty years ago. Because a picture of a 18 year old and the word ''erotica'' on the same page clearly indicates sueable child porn charges. Duh! everyone knows THAT! I, for one, fully subscribe to all these rules, because ... well, i don't know why but i follow them anyway.

[Sam Spade]

THIS-IS-A-PORN-FORUM


I really don't know how many times I need to say this, porn and under 18's DO NOT MIX.

What constitutes "erotica" is down to the individual, some guys get their jollies from feet, or ankles, some guys like bare midriffs, so the easiest, and safest way to keep the rule consistant is to ban any and all images of under 18's.

As the uploader you are responsible for the content you post, we are not ogres, and will not ban or even warn you if you post images of 16 or 17 year old actresses who are fully clothed, but common sense dictates that if you do it too many times after we have given some friendly advice you'll eventually get your knuckles rapped.

[Wendigo]

It is a VEF thing. If you check the rules you will see that they clearly spell out that no material showing anyone who is fully clothed, but is under 18 and who THEY think might be giving you a boner. So if 55 year old nuns do give you a full banana (if THEY think that they do), it's censored, my friend.

Please remember that message boards are dictatorships, not democracies .. because they are run by volunteers.

Also, everybody knows that VEF WILL of course get sued for peddling child pornography if they show Christina Applegate fully clothed, at age 18, in a show that's been on prime time tv twenty years ago. Because a picture of a 18 year old and the word ''erotica'' on the same page clearly indicates sueable child porn charges. Duh! everyone knows THAT! I, for one, fully subscribe to all these rules, because ... well, i don't know why but i follow them anyway.

As Sam says a decision was made by mods a while back NOT to allow under 18 images. It was a democratic decision amongst mods as all mods at that time had a vote.
If you want to look at pics of celebs when they were under 18 then by all means feel free there's other sites to look at, you can even buy DVD's or watch TV. We have chosen not to allow them here and guess what? The site moves on regardless with just a few occasional grumbles.
We have never said that we would be sued and I won't even dignify that amazingly asinine comment about nuns with a full response as if you think we censor posts that could give anyone a boner you have clearly not managed to navigate your way around the forum that much in the year and a half you have been a member.
As regards being a dictatorship maybe if you had seen some of the gross stuff some of the more obnoxious short-lived members try and post you'd hopefully change your mind, that's what mods are for on this and other forums.

[pharoahegypt]

i wonder if all zplonk's 30 posts feature nuns...??? just a thought...??!! lol.

i'd have thought the rule of keeping anything that is of any underage person of the board was quite easy to understand; at least for those of us with no interest in underage girls or boys...??? just imho of course...........?

[zplonk]

Just wanna point out couple of things:



- Applegate was 18+ in season 4. If, however, pointing out your inconsistencies (= you're breaking your own rules) is somehow against the rules, I apologize fully for doing so. Consider my knuckles to be Eminem

- 18+ means 18, not 19. 18 is legal in all states, 16 in some and if you have info on production dates, please share. assumptions don't count.

- We're not talking about nude pictures here.

- if anyone sees obscenity in a fully clothed Applegate, it's in THEIR minds.

Do I understand that it's easier modding to exclude all pics of fully clothed under 18s? Sure.

Do I think banning all pics of fully clothed teens that've passed muster on the most prudish of all media, US prime time TV, is going waaaaaaaaaaay overboard? You betcha. I mean, pics of 18 year olds fall WITHIN YOUR OWN RULES, yet you not only seem to wanna ban Applegates screencaps, but you also vehemently defend that, so .... ??

In general, you might have a point, but in this case you're not.

What I do resent though, is the implication that I'd like whatever sort of porn pictures of under 18s, while I am arguing for the PRIME TIME TV screen caps of an 18-19 year old. We're not talking Kendall Kardashian here.

we're not ogres And I am happy to discover that you do not think of yourselves that way.

Will I stop arguing about this? Sure. ;)

[zplonk]

i wonder if all zplonk's 30 posts feature nuns...??? just a thought...??!! lol.


ah. I should've realized that irony is too sophisticated a thought for some. My sincere apologies.

[Sam Spade]

We are not ogres, we are also not quite as stupid as you think we are, being a smartarse will get you into trouble.

[zplonk]

I also apologize for talking back to you, i didn't know that was also against the rules. If my pointing out that Applegate was 18 at the time, has offended you, I apologize for that as well.

[Wendigo]

Just wanna point out couple of things:

- Applegate was 18+ in season 4. If, however, pointing out your inconsistencies (= you're breaking your own rules) is somehow against the rules, I apologize fully for doing so. Consider my knuckles to be Eminem

- 18+ means 18, not 19. 18 is legal in all states, 16 in some and if you have info on production dates, please share. assumptions don't count.

- We're not talking about nude pictures here.

- if anyone sees obscenity in a fully clothed Applegate, it's in THEIR minds.

Do I understand that it's easier modding to exclude all pics of fully clothed under 18s? Sure.

Do I think banning all pics of fully clothed teens that've passed muster on the most prudish of all media, US prime time TV, is going waaaaaaaaaaay overboard? You betcha. I mean, pics of 18 year olds fall WITHIN YOUR OWN RULES, yet you not only seem to wanna ban Applegates screencaps, but you also vehemently defend that, so .... ??

In general, you might have a point, but in this case you're not.

What I do resent though, is the implication that I'd like whatever sort of porn pictures of under 18s, while I am arguing for the PRIME TIME TV screen caps of an 18-19 year old. We're not talking Kendall Kardashian here.

Simple maths Christina was born on November 25, 1971
MWC season 4 episode 1 premiered 3 September 1989
Or 17 years, 9 months, 10 days

Christina turned 18 during season 4 the rules allow images of celebs when they have turned 18. Read the very first post in that thread - episodes 13 onward of season 4 are OK
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/showpost.php?p=2169769&postcount=1

This is in general an Erotica forum with Celeb sections (note the name VEF) not a Celeb site so we have different rules to other sites in the same way those other sites may not accept nude images.

pics of 18 year olds fall WITHIN YOUR OWN RULES er!!!! No they don't, what is so hard to understand. Let me put it in plain English leaving aside your 18+ claim

under 18 - NOT allowed
18 and over - fine


Will I stop arguing about this? Sure. ;)

Good. The rules state no under 18's so please don't post any, it's as simple as that !!

as for
I also apologize for talking back to you, i didn't know that was also against the rules. If my pointing out that Applegate was 18 at the time, has offended you, I apologize for that as well.

If you had taken time to read Christina's thread especially that first post then you might not have started this pointless line of argument

[Sam Spade]

Just wanna point out couple of things:


- Applegate was 18+ in season 4. If, however, pointing out your inconsistencies (= you're breaking your own rules) is somehow against the rules, I apologize fully for doing so. Consider my knuckles to be Eminem

Christina Applegate was born 25th November 1971, which means she turned 18 on that day in 1989, season 4 of MWC was aired in the US between 3rd September 89 and 13th May 1990, obviously much of that season was filmed before the airing of the first episode, which means that for most of the making of season 4 she was under the age of 18, I have no idea at what point during the filming of season 4 she turned 18, therefore to be on the safe side the whole season is included on the "Do not post" list, now, if this site were a film and television only site then images of any actress regardless of their age would be permitted, but the site would probably have a "No nudity" rule, as many do, however, THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY A PORN FORUM, just a couple of clicks will take you from CA in a short skirt to all sorts of hardcore sex.

That is why we have the "No under 18's! rule, it is very simple to follow and we expect everyone to comply, if you disagree that's fine, but the rule stands, if you don't like it please feel free to join another forum.

.
- 18+ means 18, not 19. 18 is legal in all states, 16 in some and if you have info on production dates, please share. assumptions don't count.

This is an international site, different countries have different rules, all of the adult sites I use have a disclaimer on the front page stating that all of the models featured were over the age of 18 when the images were taken, that's why we use the age of 18 as our minimum age.

- We're not talking about nude pictures here.

We know that, but what makes an image sexy, or erotic?

A skirt 2" above the knee, 3", 4", a bare midriff, skin tight jeans??

It's a minefield, different mods and members will have different opinions, the easiest way is an age rule.


Do I understand that it's easier modding to exclude all pics of fully clothed under 18s? Sure.

Do I think banning all pics of fully clothed teens that've passed muster on the most prudish of all media, US prime time TV, is going waaaaaaaaaaay overboard? You betcha. I mean, pics of 18 year olds fall WITHIN YOUR OWN RULES, yet you not only seem to wanna ban Applegates screencaps, but you also vehemently defend that, so .... ??

Again, this is not prime time tv, it's not a cult television site, it's not a teen fashion magazine, it's a porn site.

All images and video of celebs and non celebs are banned, not just Christina Applegate, obviously it's not always possible to date any individual image, but if we discover they were taken before the subject turned 18 they will be removed, the poster might be informed but will not be punished.


In general, you might have a point, but in this case you're not.

You are free to express that opinion, no matter how wrong you are.


What I do resent though, is the implication that I'd like whatever sort of porn pictures of under 18s, while I am arguing for the PRIME TIME TV screen caps of an 18-19 year old. We're not talking Kendall Kardashian here.

Please feel free to post caps and pictures of 18 year old models and actresses, they are allowed, just not under 18 year olds.



Will I stop arguing about this? Sure. ;)

Good, glad to hear that.

[Sam Spade]

I also apologize for talking back to you, i didn't know that was also against the rules. If my pointing out that Applegate was 18 at the time, has offended you, I apologize for that as well.

I am quite happy to engage in dialogue with our members, but I do not enjoy being patronised and I do not enjoy going over the same ground with the same member time and time again....

http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t210786-p3-age-rule-discussion-re-christina-applegate-and-others.html

You asked, we answered, the decision has been made, accept it or move on.

[mitch345]

Might I suggest the addition of the 16 year old Sandrine Bonnaire (and her spectacularly well-developed breasts) in the 1983 film To Our Loves (A nos amours) to the excellent list on Page 7.

[Zathras]

Vanessa Paradis in Noce Blanche.

She was born in 1972 and Noce Blanche was filmed in 1989

[Wendigo]

Don't forget to take note of this thread

http://ohw2.vintage-erotica-forum.com/t153495-known-underage-roles-and-problems.html

[richardoe]

Under the sexual offences act 2003 a child is defined in British law as being under 18. Prior to that it was 16, thats why it was perfectly legal to show the film "walkabout" starring Jenny Agutter on TV until the act came in to force.

[matti82]

Agnieszka Włodarczyk in Polish movie "Sara" (1997): breasts and full nude. She was 16 yo.
http://www.filmweb.pl/film/Sara-1997-699

[Wendigo]

Agnieszka Włodarczyk in Polish movie "Sara" (1997): breasts and full nude. She was 16 yo.
http://www.filmweb.pl/film/Sara-1997-699

removed image link and added name to list
http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/t153495-known-underage-roles-and-problems.html

[MrInBetween]

Under the sexual offences act 2003 a child is defined in British law as being under 18. Prior to that it was 16, thats why it was perfectly legal to show the film "walkabout" starring Jenny Agutter on TV until the act came in to force.If you have proof that it's no longer legal to show this film uncut on TV, please produce it. I think it's still perfectly legal; I just can't say for sure that my memory of seeing it uncut refers to after that time.

From Melon Farmers:UK: The UK Version/Director's Cut was passed AA (14) after BBFC cuts for:

UK 1971 cinema release (cut version never released as cuts were waived on appeal)

From cuts details (http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0067959/alternateversions) on IMDb (http://www.imdb.com):


Initially cut to remove full frontal nude shots of the girl in order for an 'AA' (14) rating. However the cuts were waived after an appeal.

The submitted running time was noted as 99:47s = 95:48s
I wouldn't regard the fact that some UK channel has shown a cut version since that time as proof.

This is, of course, an entirely different issue from what is permitted under the VEF rules.

[Wendigo]

This is, of course, an entirely different issue from what is permitted under the VEF rules.

Spot on :thumbsup:

[daddyo7]

Christianne Hirt appeared in the movie "Glitter Dome" as a teen prostitute. She had a scene in which she was naked from behind. The movie came out in 1984 and starred James Garner, John Lithgow, Colleen Dewhurst, etc.

Here is a job for you cyber detectives: How old was she when she made the movie?

I have tried to look it up on the internet but cannot find out. She has had quite an extensive acting career since then.

[Wendigo]

Christianne Hirt appeared in the movie "Glitter Dome" as a teen prostitute. She had a scene in which she was naked from behind. The movie came out in 1984 and starred James Garner, John Lithgow, Colleen Dewhurst, etc.

Here is a job for you cyber detectives: How old was she when she made the movie?

I have tried to look it up on the internet but cannot find out. She has had quite an extensive acting career since then.

A little lateral thinking and find a website report dated April 29, 1999 states - "Hirt, 31, picked up an Alberta Film and Television Award for her portrayal of Jennie. The Gemini Award-nominated actress has appeared in more than 50 productions since she began acting at the age of 14."
So if she was 31 in 1999 she'd be roughly 16 in 1984.

[matti82]

Isidora Simijonovic (14 years old) in Klip (2012) - serbian movie.

[bluemarker]

Nastassja Kinski shot Wim Wender's Falsche Bewegung (Wrong Move) in 1975, when she was supposedly only 14, and showed her breasts in the movie.

I say supposedly because I don't believe she was actually born in 1961 as she claims...

[scorpion_111151]

I don't believe she was actually born in 1961 as she claims...

According to the Gossip Rocks website, her birth was reported to the American authorities in 1959.

[bluemarker]

According to the Gossip Rocks website, her birth was reported to the American authorities in 1959.
That sounds more plausible, to me :rolleyes:

[lindros88]

Here are a few really good ones to add on the list:

Livia Russo (~13/14) in Emanuelle's Daughter. Contains a long shower scene, a romance scene with boyfriend and an amazing scene at the end!

Katya Berger (12/13) in Piccole Labbra (aka, Little Lips). Several full frontal nude scenes, including a couple scenes where the older man gets to cop a feel. Don't buy the 77 minute version from Amazon which cuts most of the nudity. Full-length versions available via google searches.

Dawn Dunlap (16) in Laura, a David Hamilton film. Several extensive nude scenes and one love-making scene at the end with her photographer.

Karin Trentephol (12) in L'Immoralita. Similar to Piccole Labbra with a few nice nude scenes, however the lovemaking scene supposedly used a body double.

[SwimJennySwim!]

Under the sexual offences act 2003 a child is defined in British law as being under 18. Prior to that it was 16, thats why it was perfectly legal to show the film "walkabout" starring Jenny Agutter on TV until the act came in to force.
The 2003 Law is not retrospective

Walkabout uncut on British TV last year:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007c5jl

[MrInBetween]

The 2003 Law is not retrospective

Walkabout uncut on British TV last year:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007c5jlI'm pretty sure it is retrospective, in the sense that the Protection Of Children Act 1978 applies to possession, exhibition or distribution of indecent images of children as well as creation. All the Sexual Offences Act 2003 did was change the definition of child from someone under 16 to someone under 18. But the boy in Walkabout also appears naked and was a child under either definition. So I guess the reason the BBC hasn't been prosecuted is because the nudity in Walkabout would not be regarded as indecent.

[SwimJennySwim!]

It's retroactive in that it does apply to material produced before 2003, but not retrospective in that it does not leave anyone open to prosecution for taking pictures that could not be taken today.

What is "Indecent" is still a matter for a court and therefore a jury. Walkabout has a BBFC "12" Certificate for the DVD, mainly for its portrayal of animals being killed and butchered* and for its two scenes of dead men hanging from trees (contextually in accordance with Aboriginal death rites.) These are genuinely disturbing images, unlike the assorted nudity which are genuinely cinematographic. There is one potentially pornographic shot early in the "Ecstacy" scene which has been masked by some post-production smoke and mirrors. It is all done in the best possible taste.


(*Animals were harmed in the making of this movie.)

You can still see orginal artwork for Blind Faith, Malcolm McLaren's Manet pastiche for Bow Wow Wow's "See Jungle..." with 15 year old Annabella Lwin, Nirvana's "Nevermind" and all the rest on Amazon and similar sites, and recently ITV3 showed Walt Disney's Pollyanna from 1960 the opening image of which is a close-up of a small boy's naked bottom as he dives into a lake.

The problem with this law with regard to wholly legitimate cinema is the scope of a Level 1 indecent image, the least serious offence, which is described as 'an erotic image of a child,' with no mention of nudity. It would be for a jury to decide, but the chilling effect on respectable cinema has been one of intimidation.

[zplonk]

This is, of course, an entirely different issue from what is permitted under the VEF rules.

Sure. The point is however, that the site looks a tat ridiculous and hypocritical: A site that is explicitly about erotica and sexual stuff is MORE sexually repressed and victorian than the BBC or ITV, two very very well respected media organisations that are NOT predominantly about sex stuff, like VEF is, with the policy "we don't show fully clothed pictures of actresses who are 17 years old, in PRIME TIME shows, which are SIT-COMS, And for no other reason than: "Ooooh we might get sued for ... " Take Christina Applegate. Since HER pics are ALL OVER the NET, it seems highly unlikely that VEF would get sued over this. Oh well. The rule should be: is she fully clothed or not, not is she 18 or not? Under present VEF rules, girls playing nuns would be removed, because they might be under 18 Oh well.

[zplonk]

According to the Gossip Rocks website, her birth was reported to the American authorities in 1959.
That sounds more plausible, to me
Again, heaps of BS: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nastassja_Kinski#cite_note-1 She's from 1961, notwithstanding your personal-cultural bias or what you think is likely. It's not like we've never had 12 year old or 13 year old nudes in mainstream movies. It should be noted that Ms. Shield's remarks regarding the 'body suit' were greeted with a bit of ridicule at the time that she made them. It was just a fairly immature attempt to cover something that she later regretted doing.

I don't know where you got that, but it's a whole lotta BS, she didn't regret it one bit: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/molloy-brooke-shield-article-1.1200124 “I was shocked by the reaction,” Brooke told The News. “I grew up in New York City. I knew what 42nd St. looked like. I knew what streetwalkers looked like. Louis Malle was dealing with the theme of innocence and experience. ... I never felt compromised. It never felt salacious. I was a little kid. I wasn’t mature sexually at all. It was a more innocent time. It wasn’t porn — it was art.”You can always claim she's lying though.

Katya Berger (12/13) in Piccole Labbra (aka, Little Lips).
Karin Trentephol (12) in L'Immoralita.

sadly, none of these have English subs, I looked everywhere nowhere on the net. Piccole Labbra can be found with dual language, english.

[zplonk]

Try to spot the 7 names not yet mentioned in the thread! :) As far I can see, the list so far:
I've listed them like this:
actress / age when filmed / name film.
This might seem bloated, but it does give clarity. Please feel free to add names!


European films:
Júlia Mérö / 12-13 / Angyali üdvözlet (1984) [plays Eve in the Garden of Eden, au naturel]
Akkemay / 15 / Schatjes! (1984)
Ariel Besse / 15 / Beau-Père [1981] {nude in bed scene with older man}
Christine Boisson / 17 / Emmanuelle (1974) {imdb}
Line Arlien-Søborg / 13-15 / Kundskabens træ [1982] [world famous ... in Denmark]
Gitte-Iben Andersen / 13-15 / Kundskabens træ {shooting took 2 years} [1982]
Hanne Sørensen / 13-15 / Kundskabens træ [1982]{shooting took 2 years}
Rita Kvist / 16 / Lime {no subs!}
Katja pulled a Traci Lords and didn't do nude when she was over 18 ....
Katja Bienert / 18 / Lilian (1984) (looks at least 25)
Katja Bienert / 17 / Diamonds of Kilimandjaro (1983)
Katja Bienert / 15 / Linda (1981)
Katja Bienert / 15 / Kenn' ich, weiß ich, war ich schon! (1981)
Katja Bienert / 14 / Eugenie (1980){really looks 19 years old}
Katja Bienert / 14 / Schoolgirl Report 13 (1980){really looks 19 years old}
Katja Bienert / 14 / Fabian (1980) {really looks 19 years old}
Katja Bienert / 13 / Die Schulmädchen vom Treffpunkt Zoo (1979) (really looks 18 or 19 years old)
Katya Berger 13 in Piccole Labbra {no subs!}
Sandrine Bonnaire / 16 / À nos amours (To Our Loves)
Sandrine Bonnaire / 17 / Tir à vue
Lise Danvers / 17 / Contes immoraux
Abbey Hoes / 15 / Tirza (2010) [undertorso]
Adèle Haenel / 13 Les diables (2002) wow
Eva Ionesco / 11 / Maladolescenza
Eva Ionesco / 11 / nude pictorial Italian Playboy (October 1976)
Virginie Ledoyen / 17 / L'eau froide
Virginie Ledoyen / 17 / La regle de l'homme
Virginie Ledoyen / 16 / Les marmottes {no subs!}
Virginie Ledoyen / 14 / Le voleur d'enfants {no subs!}
Judith Godreche / 17 / La Fille de 15 ans
Judith Godreche / 17 / Un été d'orages {no subs!}
Julie Engelbrecht / 12 / Adieu, mon ami
Jonna Liljendahl Du är inte klok, Madicken (1979)
Desiree Nosbusch / 17 / Der Fan (1982)
Desiree Nosbusch / 16 / Nach Mitternacht (1981)
Hilde Nyeggen-Martinsen / 13 / Is-slottet
Line Storesund / 13 / Is-slottet
Jaroslava Schallerová 14 Valerie a týden divu/Valerie and Her Week of Wonders
Vanessa Paradis / 17 / Noce Blanche
Livia Russo / 14 / Emanuelle's Daughter
Isidora Simijonovic 15 Klip (2012) - it's like, HARDcore ...? FF BJ's
Louise Szpindel / 14 / Des épaules solides / edonk + {no subs!}
Karin Trentephol / 12 / L'Immoralita {no subs!}
Natalie Uher / 15 / Escape to Paradise
Natalie Uher / 15 / German Playmate
Lara Wendel / 10 / Maladolescenza [really wow]
Agnieszka Włodarczyk / 17 / Sara (1997)
Delphine Zentout / 14 / 36 fillette (1988)


American films/Hollywood
Jenny Agutter / 16 / Walkabout (August 1969)
Drew Barrymore / 17 / Doppelganger
Thora Birch / 16 / American Beauty
Nastassja Kinski / 15 / To The Devil A Daughter (1976)
Nastassja Kinski / 14 / Falsche Bewegung (1975)
Kiera Knightly (deleted)
Michelle Johnson's / 17 / Blame It On Rio
Phoebe Cates / 17 / Paradise (1982)
Dawn Dunlap / 16 / in Laura
Olivia Hussey / 16 / Romeo & Juliet
Melanie Griffith / 17 / Night Moves
Cristi Harris / 16 / Night of the Demons 2 (1994)
Linda Hayden / 15 / Baby Love (1968)
Christianne Hirt / 16 / Glitter Dome
Milla Jovovich / 15 / Chaplin (1992) she turned 16 during shoot.
Milla Jovovich / 15 / Return to the Blue Lagoon (1991)
Mia Kirshner / 17 / De l'amour et des restes humains (1993)
Shirley Mills / 12 / Child Bride (1938)
Tatum O'Neal / 17 / Circle of Two (1981)
Brooke Shields / 10 / The woman in the child (pictorial, Gary Gross)
Brooke Shields / 12 / Pretty Baby
Simonetta Stefanelli / 16 / The Godfather
On Kirshner: the film was shown at Cannes in April '93, she turned 18 in January, it's likely that shooting took place before her birthday

[fordprefect739]

Phoebe Cates was 18 when she did Fast Times at Ridgemont High.